Meet Brandon Garrett

This is the second in our series on why workers are standing up. Here, you’ll read the stories of real Walmart workers who have made great sacrifices in order to speak out for change at the world’s largest private employer.

BrandonAlready in his brief twenty some years, Brandon Garrett has had to make tough choices.

From Baton Rouge, LA, Brandon grew up with a single mom. She raised him to be a hard worker. In high school, Brandon excelled in sports. He did well in his classes and participated in football, basketball, wrestling, track and field and bowling. By the time Brandon graduated, he was a strong enough athlete to play collegiate sports.

While in school, Brandon’s mother fell ill. She was unable to work to support herself. Brandon had a tough choice to make. He left college and moved back home to Baton Rouge, Louisiana to help support his mom through her illness. He found a job working at Walmart in Baker.

It wasn’t long after he started that he discovered just how difficult it was to get by on Walmart wages. Worse yet, the management treated its employees with disrespect. His store was constantly understaffed and employees were always overworked and treated with no regard for them as human beings.

One vocal worker in his store, an older woman named Janet Sparks, was part of a group called Organization United for Respect at Walmart (OUR Walmart). Through the worker-led organization, she had taken a number of actions and helped many of her coworkers. After some consideration and looking into the organization, Brandon decided to join the movement to change Walmart.

He bravely went on strike, traveling across the country by bus to visit Walmart’s headquarters to protest Walmart’s illegal attempts to silence and intimidate workers who stood up for their right to speak out.

After he returned to work from the legally protected strike, Walmart called him into the office. Management told Brandon that he was being fired for absences during the time he was on strike. This week, Brandon is bringing his calls for change at Walmart straight to Washington, DC.

Support Brandon by signing a petition calling on Walmart to return him and other illegally fired workers back to work.

610 thoughts on “Meet Brandon Garrett

  1. if he wasn’t happy with the job, should have looked elsewhere, no law saying you have to work for Walmart, Jobs are hard to get right now, about anything you get will be minimum wage unless you specialize in something

    • And, if the minimum wage was a living wage, there would be no problem except the corporate gurus would be making a little less!! How much is too much?? How much money can you spend. I have not the answer, but the liberal “socialist” agenda has been proven over and over to NOT work. Capitalism worked pretty well until the Liberals made themselves some kind of heroes, but then treat big business better than the Capitalists ever did, but still blame the conservatives for their failures!!! They have created a society of hands out for the free stuff, low wages and dependency on government!!!! This is DOOMED to fail, but they care not, because they are amassing their wealth and, will take their money and run and could NOT care less about what you think of them. Y’all can take that to the bank!!!

      • Why should wages have anything to with what it takes to make a living? Aren’t they supposed to be what is fairly exchanged (via supply/demand) for labor that is supplied? And shouldn’t the amount of wages be determined by the value of the labor provided?

        If not – and it’s just a matter of “need” – then why is it an EMPLOYERS obligation to cover those needs? Why shouldn’t it, by way of example, be the obligation of those who are demanding higher minimum wages to satisfy those needs?

        There’s a BIG disconnect here if people think that workers should be compensated on the basis of what they “need” rather than on the actual value of the labor they provide.

      • The market sets the wages, not the employer, McDonalds in Williston, ND pays $17.50/hour with a $2,000 sign on bonus to start. It is supply and demand. If you have no skills to enhance your employment values, then you are not going to make much money, When you have 25 people applying for your job behind you willing to work for $10/hour, you are not going to get $15/hour. It is up to you to get the necessary skills to command a greater salary. It is not up to the employer, the union can’t do it for you, it is up to you and you alone. Your family is depending on you. Get off the couch and gets some skills. It is not incredibly hard to do. Millions have done it before you.

      • floridanativee;

        Not sure you’ve addressed this comment to who you intended, if only because I’m in complete agreement with you. My whole point was that wages are – or at least should be! – paid on the value of the labor provided (market supply and demand), as opposed to what people “need”.

      • Ken Meyer:
        ” My whole point was that wages are – or at least should be! – paid on
        the value of the labor provided (market supply and demand), as opposed
        to what people “need”.”

        You have pointed out that the only true way To determine the actual worth of workers and their wages is by what is known as collective bargaining. When an agreement is reached by the workers and management. Then that determines the true worth of workers.

        Ken Meyer:
        “while collective bargaining may be a fair (albeit limited) way “to decide labors true worth”

        How does the market determine the worth of labor? I have looked this up and could not see how it is determined but a theory that has more side steps and mambo jumbo and must be blessed by a witch doctor. Even then it wont work.

      • floridanativee;
        If you are trying to tell me that market value for labor has worked for centuries. You have no idea of what you are talking about. You have no idea of the harsh treatment imposed on labor and the price they paid to get what you must think are God given rights that were actually won by the unions. In the late 18 hundreds the work week was 100 hrs a week it took labor 150 years and a lot of lives to get it to 40. You should study the history of the American labor movement so you will have a better idea of what you hate..

      • You are right in saying that unions are the history of the US labor movement. They lost 400,000 members last year. Down to 6% of the private sector labor force now. They are not a factor now. Just a joke. They continue to try to survive for the union bosses. It isn’t about the employees, it is about the dues so the bosses can keep their perks. Very little of the money or effort is spent on the employees, but on the obtaining of more money for the union bosses. Any employee that takes place in today’s illegal strikes against Wal-Mart is going to be immediately replaced by the hundreds of willing workers on file at each store.

      • floridanativee;
        If unions don’t matter and are just a joke why are you spending every hour of your life trying to under mine, Bad mouthing and convicing members of the unions that they are no good and the BOSSES are trying to screw the members that they work for and depend on them for their job? The members are the union the BOSSES work for us they elected into their jobs and can be voted out. If a union does not have members the they don’t have a job. Why is it the only people that bitch about dues are people like you that don’t pay any? Members realize that to function and have a political voice the must fund the union. I have been retire for over a decade and I still pay my dues and am still a member and I still want to contribute and have a vote. The unions have lost members because of people like you that spread their hate and lies and call us thugs. Doctors, nurses, engineers have formed unions would you dare call them thugs.

        floridanativee;
        “Any employee that takes place in today’s illegal strikes against
        Wal-Mart is going to be immediately replaced by the hundreds of willing
        workers on file at each store.”
        first of all I have sent you twice the information that these strikes are not illegal.

        They have a right to do this you idiot:
        “The National Labor Relations Board protects the rights of most
        private-sector employees to join together, with or without a union, to improve their wages and working conditions.”
        http://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-
        THERE IS A LAW GIVING THEM THE RIGHT TO DO THIS.

      • I have told you a million times not to exaggerate. I like to spread the truth. I hate to see anybody hurt. I post as I work. Only 10% of present union workers actual ever voted to belong to a union. maybe stewards can be voted out, but union bosses are rarely voted out. Unions have lost membership because they are corrupt and irrelevant. They used to have 45% of the private sector and now are 6%. Go ahead and blame that on people like me and ignore the real causes like taking the dues and doing nothing. Nowhere does it say that employees have the right to take off work and go out in front of their stores and scream obscenities at the customers. They can expect to be fired and replaced immediately. Show me that law. It doesn’t exist. These workers do not have the right to take off unauthorized and strike, You have not shown me that they do. They will be fired and the union bosses who talked them into it will be getting their paychecks trying to shaft some other employees. If the unions really wanted to help people, they would be helping them better themselves and making them more valuable to any employer. Stocking shelves isn’t going to ever pay high wages. They have to learn how to better themselves. Unions are hampering that with 20 years of demonstratively false promises.

      • Ever hear of piss poor management?? Ever hear of these union members giving back to that twinky bunch and then the twinksters blew it all away the second time?? Don’t go there stupid, you’ll lose again!
        And , that was a whole group of members , not just a few scabs , like we were talking about to start with!!

      • Yes, the top pay in the factories was around $ 11. an hour . FYI , they did not vote to shut down anything . After the company paid their executives large bonuses, that took the profits, that shut down the company .

      • They had about 25 unions to deal with nationwide and very restrictive work rules. For example, the Twinkies and the Ding Dongs had to b delivered on different trucks due to union rules. Things like this hurt the company. This is exactly why the transplants are doing so much better that the UAW plants. They even give rewards to the employees for devising money saving ideas. Not sure about the bonuses, but I know the company had changed hands several times in the final years as they were losing money hand over fist. Both sides could have been at fault, but you refuse to admit that,

      • You’ve already proven yourself wrong in all of your statements to Lutz and Mimcneely, how much longer are you willing to continue to embarrass yourself .

      • floridanativee:
        YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP!!!!
        You have never told me to not exaggerate and I don’t.
        Before you can spread the truth you have to know what the truth is.
        and you don’t and you don’t know it even after I send it to you with proof. If you do not want to hurt any one you should double check your information and make sure it is the truth. It is very hard to find.
        But what you are doing now is hurting unions and its members.
        How can you post as you work?
        floridanativee:
        “Only 10% of present union workers actual ever voted to belong to a union.”
        That is not possible, the vote to unionize has got to be a majority
        Not just 10%. If some one hires into a unionized work place they had the choice to take the job or go find a non union job. For less money and no benefits. Now floridanativee tell me you would have gone for the non union job so you would not have to pay dues.

        floridanativee:
        “maybe stewards can be voted out, but union bosses are rarely voted out.
        Unions have lost membership because they are corrupt and irrelevant.”
        The union I am in doesn’t have stewards So I looked it up they can be voted in or appointed it is up to the local they are in.

        The business rep, the president, vice president and the organizers were not voted out very often for good reason ….they did their jobs and did them very well. Also they were union members in good standing, This is at the local level.
        Yes the big boys aren’t changed very often ether for the same reason.

        floridanativee:
        “Unions have lost membership because they are corrupt and irrelevant. They used to have 45% of the private sector and now are 6%”

        You tell me what is not corrupt, or own government is corrupt, organized crime is spread all over the world they have even started their own global corporations so they can corrupt world wide. the highest percentage of union density in the American private sector was historic high of around 35% in 1955. it has never been 45% [ "I have told you a million times not to exaggerate.] you should fallow your own advice.

        floridanativee:
        ” Go ahead and blame that on people like me and ignore the real causes like taking the dues and doing nothing.”

        Why do you think you must bad mouth unions or even comment on a topic that you have nothing to do with. Your not a member you don’t pay dues but you spew forth hate and lies about them.
        Why is that? That is why I blame the hired union assassins like you. How do you figure you are an expert on unions and dues money. You don’t pay them and it is non of your business as to what the unions do with it.

        floridanativee:
        ” Nowhere does it say that employees have the right to take off work and
        go out in front of their stores and scream obscenities at the customers.
        They can expect to be fired and replaced immediately. Show me that law.
        It doesn’t exist. These workers do not have the right to take off
        unauthorized and strike, You have not shown me that they do.”

        I have shown you that law three times what part of “The law we enforce gives employees the right to act together to try to
        improve their pay and working conditions or fix job-related problems,
        even if they aren’t in a union. If employees are fired, suspended, or
        otherwise penalized for taking part in protected group activity, the
        National Labor Relations Board will fight to restore what was unlawfully
        taken away.”
        http://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-
        Don’t you understand? if you want the actual written law you look it up. There is a law this proof of that. You spend the hours looking for the text. The rest of this comment you can stuff it.

      • I can post at work because I chose to. Nice being the owner, I work long and hard and take my little chances when I can. Nothing I said is incorrect. You just read it wrong. I said less than 10% of present union employees ever voted to join a union. That is correct, The 90% went to work when there was already a union there. They did not vote for one. Get somebody to explain it to you., 94% of American workers are non union and most get good wages and benefits without the unions. Being in a union also increases your chances of being unemployed when they drive a business or the whole sector under. I have never had a union job, but have had lots of union employees. If your union has no stewards how can they be voted out if they don’t exist. The Wal-Mart workers on this blog had taken off work without authorization and have been fired, The blog is claiming this is illegal. Now show me where it is. They can never just take off work unauthorized for any reason. It is not protected. The union bosses lied to them and they got fired. The union bosses went on to lie to other. You show me the part where it says they can take off for these activities when their supervisor assigns them to work their shift. Just paste in that text.

      • The NLRA protects associational rights of both union
        and non-union employees. Section 7
        of the NLRA provides in relevant part:
        section 7
        “Employees
        shall have the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor
        organization, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own
        choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for
        the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection,
        and shall also have the right to refrain from any or all of such activities * * *.” (29 USC § 157).

        The National Labor Relations Act (NLRA or the Act)
        protects associational rights of “non-union” employees as well as
        “union” employees. This article
        serves as a reminder that it is possible to commit an unfair labor practice
        without a union presence in the workplace.
        Employees may engage in protected concerted activity in situations other
        than traditional union organizing and collective bargaining.
        Employers also must allow a coworker to be present during employee
        investigatory interviews under a recent NLRB interpretation of the Act.

        “Concerted
        activity” is any activity by individual employees who are united in pursuit of
        a common goal. To find an employee’s activity to be “concerted,” the
        action must be engaged in with or on the authority of other employees, and not
        solely by and on behalf of the employee himself.
        An employee’s conduct is not “concerted” unless it is engaged in
        with or on authority of other employees.

        In plain English the nonunon worker can get together and strike
        and have the same protection of union workers. read section seven at the top

      • Now point out to me where it says that employees can take off their scheduled work unauthorized and leave for Arkansas to trash talk their company, What you pasted above is not to be done on the employers time. What you don’t seen to get is that the majority of employees of Wal-Mart don’t want a union. Get used to it.

      • floridadada.
        It is in plain English but not in the words you want to so or understand is says that nonuniojn workers that engage in other concerted activities. (Join together for a purpose that envloves more than one worker the get the same protection union members get and they screw you ask a layer in the mean time reach down grab your neck and pull your head out of your anus.

      • Most union employees don’t have to or want to VOTE to join, they look for a rep as soon as they get hired!! MAN, you are so full of it!!

      • Once again, only 10% of present union employees have ever voted to join the union. They were force to do so when hired. They have no free choice.. When given a choice like in WI, 40% drop out. MI is soon to find out.I would think a large % of the remaining 60% are staying in due to union intimidation.,

      • Just how in the hell did the unions ever get started in the first place!! The people voted for them!! The jerks you are talking about are SCABS, that want union pay and beneifits and they want them for free!! SO, just STFU, you idiot!!

      • Once again, only 10% of present union employees have ever voted to join the union. They were force to do so when hired. They have no free choice.. When given a choice like in WI, 40% drop out. MI is soon to find out. Those transplant auto workers in right to work states make more than the UAW workers and have never been unionized yet you want to take credit for it. People don;t buy it. Only 6% of private sector workers are unionized anyway, Not much of a factor in anything anyway.

      • Floriadanativee:
        The link you provided has backed up what I said. that the two car companies for now are considered separate.
        “Marchionne conceded that an IPO of Chrysler could delay his plans to fully merge Fiat with Chrysler.”
        They have not merged.

      • You said it was an American car company with no foreign ownership. FIAT has owned 58.5% for years. Don’t try to lie out of it. You were wrong and nasty about it. That is just like a union thug.

      • I am not trying to lie out of any thing here is an exact quote:
        “the U.S.A. Chrysler Group LLC is still a separate company based in Auburn Hills, Mich., not a subsidiary of Italy-based Fiat”
        This is true now But it will change but for now Chrysler is not considered to be part of Fiat.”

        The link you gave me to back up your stupid comment said this:
        “”Marchionne conceded that an IPO of Chrysler could delay his plans to fully merge Fiat with Chrysler.”

        It verifies what I said. Do you enjoy making yourself look like the village idiot? you are sure good at it.

      • I DID READ THE LINK THAT IS WHY I KNOW WHAT IT SAYS.

        “”the U.S.A. Chrysler Group LLC is still a separate company based in Auburn Hills, Mich., not a subsidiary of Italy-based Fiat”
        You really do like to look like the village idiot. Now you are trying to convince me of what I said and didn’t say. I have shown you what I said and you are still trying to convince me that I said something else.
        this is what your like said:
        “”Marchionne conceded that an IPO of Chrysler could delay his plans to fully merge Fiat with Chrysler.”

        For someone that works so hard You sure respond instantly and at all hours of the day and night. GET A LIFE.

      • Fiat took control of Chrysler as it emerged from bankruptcy in 2009 and now owns a 58.5 percent stake. Did you not read this part, dumbo. Does this mean that they don’t own 5805%. Is FIAT an American company. No, you are wrong, As i told you before, I get a tone on my Smart Phone on every email. That feature is not available on your free Obama phone.

      • Chrysler Group LLC is still a separate company based in Auburn Hills,
        Mich., not a subsidiary of Italy-based Fiat, and it is still considered a
        domestic manufacturer — for now.
        This is all I ever claimed!!!!!!!!!!!They are also doing well with the work force they have: Sep 6, 2013 … Chrysler sales rose for the 41st straight month. … Garberding, senior vice
        president of manufacturing for Chrysler Group LLC.

        Now for your misinformed lie you are spreading. Now read this and learn something. Well in your case you will just deny it or say it is a left wing conspiracy.
        The federal program wasn’t started by President Obama. It dates back to
        1996, as part of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The Act did a
        number of things, including increasing internet access to doctors and
        patients in rural hospitals (for consults with specialists); subsidizing
        internet and phone coverage for schools and libraries and providing
        free or subsidized coverage for families who can’t afford it so that
        they have links to emergency and government services. The Act was not
        taxpayer funded… exactly. Taxpayers do pay for coverage but not via
        federal income taxes. Instead, the Act “mandated the creation of the
        universal service fund (USF) into which all telecommunications providers
        are required to contribute a percentage of their interstate and
        international end-user telecommunications revenues.” So that little fee
        on your phone bill labeled USF? That’s what you’re paying for.
        http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2012/09/28/crazy-for-obama-phones-but-are-they-for-real/
        You should change your name to VILLAGE IDIOT it fits.

      • Didn’t mater what you claimed. I claimed it was not an American Corporation the other fool said it was, Wrong. It is mainly owned by FIAT which isn’t an American corp. What you said later in the argument was not involved. You must realize that Nissan, Honda, and the other transplants also have similar corps. You claiming they are also American owned corporations also, dumbo. Obama has increase the eligibility of the Obama phones and the number of them has increased by a factor of 4 since his emasculation 01/20/09. You are a nasty liberal, but know little about anything. Now do you have an Obama phone or not? If you do, how many?

      • VILLEGE IDIOT:
        As for the phone you never ask You told me I had one”.
        Quote; “That feature is not available on your free Obama phone.”
        In the real world this is not a question. To

        Now for your misinformed lie you are spreading. Now read this and learn
        something. Well in your case you will just deny it or say it is a left
        wing conspiracy. I was close you didn’t learn any thing. But by calling this OBAMA PHONE when he had nothing to do with its conception or authoring any thing in it is a blatant lie. This is a republican way of blaming Obama for something he had nothing to do with. As for your insinuation Obama has expanded this needed program he hasn’t SafeLink is run by a subsidiary of América Móvil, the world’s forth
        lagest wireless company in terms of subscribers, but it is not paid for
        directly by the company. Nor is it paid for with “tax payer money,” Rather, it is funded through the Universal Service
        Fund, which is administered by the Universal Service Administrative company,
        an independent, not-for-profit corporation set up by the Federal
        Communications Commission. The USF is sustained by contributions from
        telecommunications companies such
        as “long distance companies, local telephone companies, wireless
        telephone companies, paging companies, and payphone providers.” The
        companies often charge customers to fund their contributions in the form
        of a universal service fee you might see on your monthly phone bill. The fund is then parceled out
        to companies, such as América Móvil, that create programs, such as
        SafeLink, to provide telecommunications service to rural areas and
        low-income households.

        The president has no direct impact on the program, and one could hardly
        call these devices “Obama Phones,” This
        specific program, SafeLink, started under President George Bush, with
        grants from an independent company created under President Bill Clinton,
        which was a legacy of an act passed under President Franklin Roosevelt,
        which was influenced by an agreement reached between telecommunications
        companies and the administration of President Woodrow Wilson.

        KISS OFF, you know nothing about this and you are reinforcing the term VILLAGE IDIOT. Keep posting this is fun.

      • It is in fact paid for with taxpayer money. Each cell phone subscriber is charged a tax on their phone and it is sent to the government and then paid to the Mexican billionaire and Obama supporter to give out to those who meet the newly lowered standards. The rate at which they are given out has increased by a factor of 4 since Obama was first in office. Now do you or do you not have a free Obama phone or multiple phones.

      • It is not a tax. it is a fee to fund this program and the money never goes to the government, It is not just cell phone users that pay it. I don’t have a cell phone and i pay the $1.98 a month on my land line. I have never mist the money and I’m glad to do it. Here is one reason if someone is look for a job and has no phone how is the employer going to notify them if the employer wants them for the job? A PHONE IS NOT JUST A CONVENIENCE.

      • When money is taken from you without choice I call it a tax. It does go to the government and they fund the phones through Obama’s billionaire Mexican buddy You can get them at the welfare office. Since you don’t have a cell phone, why not stop by and get an Obamaphone next time you go down to the welfare office. Do you really think that woman in the video is looking for a job. It was started as an emergency and has turned into a redistribution scheme. I guess the they thought the reporter who got 3 Obamaphones in a couple of hours was looking for 3 jobs. It is a another government program gone wild. .

      • http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

        They will explain all of this to you. with links and sources.
        As for the reporter that got three phones only shows that there is fraud but every thing has fraud. do you think that the few that are fraudulent should screw it up for the people that truly need it.
        Do you believe every lie that the republican party sends you? are you so gullible and naive you can’t tell when something as far fetched and ridicules as what you have said could be a lie?
        It is a lie. That is a big problem in this country. People like you are willing to believe this crap with out question or take the time and research it. You spread these lies like you have done on this blog.
        You spread you hate and misinformation And that floriadacreap is not good for this country.

      • That fact check article your refereed to was from 2009, just after Bush left office and was before Obama has his quadrupling of the abuses. There is massive abuse and it should be stopped just like the massive abuses in food stamps, public housing, transportation, and all the rest. Just because some people are helped doesn’t mean we should allow so much fraud. This is what has destroyed a whole generation of the poor by removing the work incentive and ethic. The problem with this country is people like you who keep spreading this out of date crap as if it were the truth. Did you mommie not teach you not to be so nasty.

      • floridanative:
        “That fact check article your refereed to was from 2009, just after Bush
        left office and was before Obama has his quadrupling of the abuses.
        If there was this much to debunk Just after Bush left office that ment the program already had a bunch of lies told about it and The cahane e-mail stated that Obama started the program when it started before Obama took office. Just what abuses are you talking about? give me a list with links to back up what you are claiming. I did that for you.

        floridanative:
        There is massive abuse and it should be stopped just like the massive
        abuses in food stamps, public housing, transportation, and all the rest.
        Just because some people are helped doesn’t mean we should allow so
        much fraud.”

        This part of your reply was uncalled for. I have said that I agreed
        That there is fraud in this program and also said that there is fraud in everything. So what was the purpose of the instant replay on what I had said? What Makes you think we “allow” fraud? Do you or any republican have a quick fix?

        floridanative:
        “This is what has destroyed a whole generation of the poor by
        removing the work incentive and ethic.”

        Wrong!!!!!!!! The lack of jobs has been the biggest cause. If someone spends over a year looking fort a job tends to implant the thought of “what is the use?”
        The working poor is growing from the middle class dropping into the working poor. The incentive and ethics are still there but the jobs are gone. Give these people a good paying jop and you will see the improvement in thim but also in the economy.

        floridanative:
        “The problem with this country is
        people like you who keep spreading this out of date crap as if it were
        the truth”

        Being out dated does not make it a lie and until I see your proof that it is out of date I will have to consider it as being true. Just because you say something does not in any way make it a fact.

        Did you mommie not teach you not to be so nasty. My mother taught me to stand up for the things I believe in she taught me to make sure it was the right thing to do, tell the truth and to be nasty to those that deserve it and you are the reason for that nastiness.

      • The giveaways of these phones had quadrupled since your article 4 year old article. You don’t think that indicates abuse or you just don’t think? As an employer, I know many of the unemployed don’t want to work, just collect their “programs”. Obvious. Bush’s 8 year unemployment record 5.3% Obama’s 4 1/2 year unemployment 7.3%. less people working today than when Obama took office and the labor participation rate has dropped from 63% to 58%. which is the lowest since 1978. Obama’s recession is killing the country. Your Mommie should have taught you to back things up with real fact, not 4 year old stuff that no longer applied. Did you think the lady in the video needed her phone to find a job?

      • floridanative:
        “The giveaways of these phones had quadrupled since your article 4 year
        old article. You don’t think that indicates abuse or you just don’t
        think?”

        I think you are a jerk. Did you ever think it could have been that more people qualified for these phones? Did you take in consideration that this program was implemented state by state and more states could have been added in this time frame?

        floridanative:
        ” As an employer, I know many of the unemployed don’t want to work, just collect their “programs”.

        As a worker I know the shame I felt by being unemployed. I also know the feeling Of a pat on the back from the employers I have worked for and that can make an employee work happier. Which builds loyalty and the want to keep doing a good job.
        So tell me by being an employer how does that make you an expert on the unemployed and what they had rather do?
        You sure search for the bad in people.

        floridanative:
        “Bush’s 8 year unemployment record 5.3% Obama’s 4 1/2 year unemployment
        7.3%. less people working today than when Obama took office and the
        labor participation rate has dropped from 63% to 58%. which is the
        lowest since 1978. Obama’s recession is killing the country.”
        What does this have to do with any thing? Wait…….I know this is right out of the republican hand book in the chapter That gives instructions on how to change the subject and say nothing at the same time.

        Liston numb nuts this recession just didn’t start when Obama took office. After being sworn in as president he stepped from the podium and stepped into a pile of shit 8 years deep left by the Bush?Chaney administration. The republicans expected him to clean that mess up in his first year. He started out with the highest debt in the history of the world and a threat from the Republicans to make him fail.
        what do those stats suppose to show? What ever it was, you missed the mark.

        Now about my mother. She had nothing to do with me not noticing the date on that article and a lot of that article still applies. The most important thing it brings to light is that the republicans will lie and keep on lying.
        My mother is 90 years old but if you had made that remark in front of her your ass would be on the floor. I take after her a lot.

      • I have been unemployed several times in my life and understand it. I also understand how many, many of toddy’s unemployed don’t want to work because it makes them lose their welfare. If you don’t recognize this, you are a fool.You keep saying Bush’s problems were 8 years deep. Do you not realize how well things went for the first 6 years and only started to go down hill after Pelosi and Reid took over. Look it up. The statue of limitations on blaming Bush has long run out. Start to realize that Obama’s policies have made this country a nation of part time workers and he has ruined the business climate of America and America will not heal until his policies are gone. The longest recession since WWII has been 18 months and Obama’s anti business policies has stretched this one into 5 years. The real unemployment (U6) is over 11%. Please tell you Mother she has my sympathies.

      • floridanativee:
        When you blame Obama and claim he has stretched this one into 5 years. keep this in mind ” “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president,” My mother does not want nor does she need any sympathy from the likes of you.

      • This same thing has been true for every political opposition leader for the whole history of our country. Do you think the democrats wanted Reagan to get a second term? Do you think they didn’t work as hard as they could against him getting his one. How you sheepal fall for the slogans your masters feed you. Try thinking things through. You could have figured that one out for yourself. Even your union leaders are finally coming around to my position on ObamaCare after shafting their members.

      • Show me any where in history that a political party has been so blatant about their intentions to sabotage the president of this country. To go against the wishes of the majority of the citizens that elected him into office. The Democrats in congress praised them for their cooperation. Reagan in a letter to congress,” Over the past several weeks, all Americans have been proud of the bipartisan spirit that we have created in working on the nation’s economic recovery. ”
        Does this sound like the democrats was sabotaging this republican president? HARDLY

        Reagan in a statement on December 29, 1981
        “I commend the Congress for its action on this bill,”
        Are you getting that what you have said is not true and biased.

        At know time in our history has congress shut the door on compromise like this tea party republican congress of “NO” and these are the ones that threatend to keep Obama to a one term president so they have tried to do this with lies and every dirty trick in and out of the book. You and your party has broken every record of congressianal “do nothing” has the lowest approval rating in history. It is more important to them to repeal the ACA than to work with Obama on creating jobs.

      • You are a fool and know nothing of history. One hand selected quote does not change history. The dems were extremely nasty to Reagan. The dems and their minions were horrible nasty to Bush 43, Have you forgotten that? Do you really think they wanted him to win the second election. Start thinking for yourself and don’t just reprint the crap from your union handouts, The America people are against ObamaCare and want it repealed. It was passed bypassing normal Senate procedures. The Supreme Court allowed it only as a tax when Obama said it wasn’t a tax. He has missed over 1/3 of the deadlines and it is a disaster so far.I might also add that the Republicans have 30 governors and a large majority if the statehouses in the US. Listening to the union BS leaves you with all of these misconceptions. Have you not even heard how the unions have all come out against ObamaCare lately. You better start towing their line or lose your privileges.

      • floriadantivee:

        “You are a fool and know nothing of history. One hand selected quote does
        not change history.”
        Did Reagan say what I showed you?…..YES Did it not think congress for what they did?…..Yes
        this in know way changes history , It is history.

        floriadantivee:
        “The dems were extremely nasty to Reagan”.

        In what way? Did they threaten to make him fail? Did congress block, filibuster, every thing he wanted? With a nasty congress
        how did Reagan accomplish any thing. His congress worked with him not against him. They bargained and compromised. They did not take a stubborn school boy stance and make every budget talk into a national crises. I have never heard of a fiscal cliff until the 113th congress invented it. Now this congress is nasty. look up the definition of nasty and it will say the 113th congress.

        floriadantivee:
        “The dems
        and their minions were horrible nasty to Bush 43 Have you forgotten
        that?

        How can anyone forget something that never happened? If you are talking about they didn’t kiss his ass you got it.

        floriadantivee:
        “Do you really think they wanted him to win the second election”.

        Of course not and nether did the American voters. Ya’got a problem with that?

        floriadantivee:
        “Start thinking for yourself and don’t just reprint the crap from your
        union handouts,”

        What would that be. The quotes I gave from Reagan I guarantee
        would never have been any anything found in any union literature.
        So what exactly are you talking about?

        floriadantivee:
        “The America people are against ObamaCare and want it
        repealed.”

        Gee! I wonder why? could be all the demonizing and lies from the republican propaganda machine that has been working over time to get the public to think that there are bad things in it like “DEATH PANELS”, (“death panel” was named as PolitiFact’s “Lie of the Year”) or perhaps the Muslim word on page 107 that was never there? 3.8% ObamaCare tax on home sales. Michele Bachmann went on national TV and told this as true and got the information from a chain email!!
        This is what FACT CHECK SAID:
        Our inbox has been overrun with messages asking us to weigh in on a
        mammoth list of claims about the House health care bill. The chain
        e-mail purports to give “a few highlights” from the first half of the
        bill, but the list of 48 assertions is filled with falsehoods,
        exaggerations and misinterpretations. We examined each of the e-mail’s
        claims, finding 26 of them to be false and 18 to be misleading, only
        partly true or half true. Only four are accurate.

        Says “At age 76 when you most need it, you are not eligible for cancer treatment” under Affordable Care Act.

        POLITIFACT GAVE THIS ONE A PANTS ON FIRE.

        This from FORBES Is a great article on the lies and places to find the truth:http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynmcclanahan/2012/07/03/what-is-the-truth-about-health-care-reform/

        YOUR POLES HAVE A FLAW THE DON”T ASK A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION……WHY ARE YOU OPPOSED TO IT

        floriadantivee:
        “It was passed bypassing normal Senate procedures. The Supreme
        Court allowed it only as a tax when Obama said it wasn’t a tax. He has
        missed over 1/3 of the deadlines and it is a disaster so far.I might
        also add that the Republicans have 30 governors and a large majority if
        the statehouses in the US.

        Yeah and all of them are doing the same tactics to pass right to work laws.
        GET REAL LUMPY

        floriadantivee:
        “Listening to the union BS leaves you with all
        of these misconceptions. Have you not even heard how the unions have
        all come out against ObamaCare lately. You better start towing their
        line or lose your privileges.”

        PRIVILEGES what PRIVILEGES you are going to have to explain how unions have any PRIVILEGES when everything we have has had to be bargained for or fought for, PRIVILEGES?

      • You take one quote and extrapolate it into the 4 years, You forgot how they called him just an actor and called him stupid. Congress has had nothing to do with the missed deadlines. The Right To Work laws in WI were passed by the people in an election. The unions thru any chances they had away by acting like fools by breaking into the state capital and beating on 5 gal pails with wooden spoons.and acting like thugs. Same in MI, the birthplace of the UAW. Once these laws are passed they lost 40% membership in the first year. You left out the main way you get privileges, That is using members money to buy politicians, In the last decade the union are the largest politic cal donator by a factor of 2. You still have to have ObamaCare and the upper level thugs are rethinking their supports. Soon they will tell you what to think.

      • It was more than one quote and congress did their job and worked with him and negotiated and compromised. WOW they called him just an actor and stupid. My God man you sound like a school kid whining to a teacher. You are not even a good fiction writer. Singing and clapping. No five gallon buckets and no wooden spoons. A judge wrote an open letter to the local news paper telling of his pride of the demonstrators about showing respect of the capatal building and the grounds. No trash left behind and such.

        Congress is the cause of missing deadlines their unwillingness to compromise and work with the president for the good of the country.

        “Right To Work laws in WI were passed by the people in an election.”

        tell me slick the right to work law was in the budget act 10. that was never put on any ballot. When has a labor low been part of a budget and they called it “the workplace freedom law”
        Sneaky!

        “You left out the main way you get privileges, That is using members
        money to buy politicians, In the last decade the union are the largest
        politic cal donate by a factor of 2.”

        Man what a dope. You think if a union backs a political candidate
        or party that is a way to get privileges? That is the way to hang on to what we have bargained for and won over decades.
        Whose money do you think we should use but our own. YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT IT AIN’T YOUR MONEY.
        Why do you think it is any of your business what we do with our money. So what is wrong for unions donating money to politicians corporations do it individuals do it. So why does it bother you that unions can donate by a factor of 2.
        Would you be crying about it if it were corporations? Would it be a bad thing in that case?

      • I saw the 5 gallon buckets and wooden spoons myself. I saw them attack and tear down the tent of Right to Work protesters. Fact. The WI capital along with several war hero memorials were trashed. Thuggery. Unions gave 99% of their money to dems to get union lawyers on the NLRB and the rest. You complain about everybody else giving their money. You complain about corporations giving their money, but unions are the biggest giver of all. You are the one crying about the corporations giving money for political causes. When you use union money to buy political abuses, it does affect me and my nation. The liberals trashed GW Bush much more than Obama is being trashed and yet you still complain. The money being given to dems is not given to the unions volunteer. It is taken from the members as a condition of having a job. 40% of union members vote republican. In WI. 40% of the union members dropped out in the first year when given a chance by the new law. Right to work was the number one issue of the elections for governor. LT gov and state house. The people clearly said they didn’t want union thuggery.

      • floridanativee:
        “I saw the 5 gallon buckets and wooden spoons myself.”

        OK so what is you point. This was a protest did you expect milk and cookies for every one? Were the buckets and wooden spoons being used as weapons?

        floridanativee:
        “I saw them attack
        and tear down the tent of Right to Work protesters.”

        This happened in Michigan Right to work Union protest mob attacks tent in Lansing and the tent was never shown being destroyed.

        floridanativee:
        “Fact. The WI capital
        along with several war hero memorials were trashed.”

        You are way off base with this accusation I know better no union member would not deface or trash a war hero’s memorial any more than the state capital building. I AM A VETERAN AND SO ARE MEANY MORE UNION MEMBERS. and for you to even believe a lie like this. ARE YOU A VETERAN HAVE YOU EVER SERVED THIS COUNTY in any way? Union members are not anti America The people at these demonstration are not all union members and for damn sure are not thugs.
        THAT IS IT FOR ME YOU PISS ANT.

        Thuggery. Unions
        gave 99% of their money to dems to get union lawyers on the NLRB and the
        rest. You complain about everybody else giving their money. You
        complain about corporations giving their money, but unions are the
        biggest giver of all. You are the one crying about the corporations
        giving money for political causes. When you use union money to buy
        political abuses, it does affect me and my nation. The liberals trashed
        GW Bush much more than Obama is being trashed and yet you still
        complain. The money being given to dems is not given to the unions
        volunteer. It is taken from the members as a condition of having a job.
        40% of union members vote republican. In WI. 40% of the union members
        dropped out in the first year when given a chance by the new law. Right
        to work was the number one issue of the elections for governor. LT gov
        and state house. The people clearly said they didn’t want union
        thuggery.
        Michigan Right to work Union protest mob attacks tent in Lansing

      • The thuggery of the pails and spoons insured that the elections would be lost by the unions. The majority of folks don’t like thugs and voted against them. It was great, keep it up. The tent was torn down and people inside were injured. More thuggery before an election. Keep it up.The warm memorial inside the WI capital were trashed;. You can probably find it on YouTube. I saw it myself. Unions are anti American and are continuing to fail down to 6 % and falling now, Can’t even get the President to allow you to double dip on ObamaCare. I mean you can’t even take the money from the poor for healthcare anymore. What did you get for your billion dollars to Obama if not that,. Your Mom OK with all your foul language? You know the elderly are the first to get rationing on ObamaCare. (death panels).

      • Howard Dean Doctor former Gov and former leading Dem candidate for president believes them, but you don’t?

        http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/316045-obamacare-cost-cutting-board-faces-growing-opposition-from-democrats

        Do you really think they are going to spend any money on your Mom for a new hip at her age if she needs if. They would rather spend the money on Juan who has another 40 years of productive leaf blowing left. Getting all you information from the left makes you stupid. Sorry, but true. These rationing boards have been discussed for several years, just not in the pablum you read.

      • My mother is on medicare not AVA. The two are separate.
        your arrogance Is showing and it ain’t pretty!

        ” They would rather spend the money on Juan who has another 40 years of productive leaf blowing left.”

        What deference would it make as to the occupation of Juan?
        Do you think that the only people that would be helped by ACA as being low level? We are talking about human beings here. Regardless of wealth or poor.

        My mother would get her hip and Juan would be productive
        for the rest of his working life.
        The article you linked me to. was more about political maneuvering. and a bunch of other crap.
        Public awareness of the board shot up last year when Palin called it a “death panel,” connecting the IPAB to her previous attacks on a proposal.

        The new Independent Payments Advisory Board — a panel created under the
        new health care law to slow the growth of Medicare spending.

        THE IPAB HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACA. It is part of Medicare not ACA
        The new health care panel, which the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates would save $28 billion from 2015 to 2019, is designed to slow the growth of Medicare spending.

        what she was referring to was in her first remark was about
        end-of-life planning in the Affordable Care Act.”

        READ IT YOURSELF: http://www.factcheck.org/2010/12/let-the-distortions-begin/

        ‘Death Panels,’ Revisited

        In a Dec. 10 Wall Street Journal opinion
        piece, Palin misstated the role, makeup and authority of the new
        Independent Payments Advisory Board — a panel created under the new
        health care law to slow the growth of Medicare spending. The purpose of
        her article was to criticize a recent report
        issued by the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform,
        a bipartisan commission created by President Barack Obama. But, in
        doing so, Palin also took a swipe at the new Medicare advisory board.

        Palin, Dec. 10: It also implicitly endorses the use
        of “death panel”-like rationing by way of the new Independent Payments
        Advisory Board — making bureaucrats, not medical professionals, the
        ultimate arbiters of what types of treatment will (and especially will
        not) be reimbursed under Medicare.

        Her description of the health care panel is wrong on three counts:

        the board doesn’t have the power to ration health care;

        board members won’t be all “bureaucrats,” since the law requires
        that it include medical professionals and other health care providers,
        as well as medical researchers, experts in health care finance and
        actuarial science, and representatives of employers and the elderly;

        board members will not be the “ultimate arbiters,” since Congress
        has the authority to change or block their recommendations, although
        special legislative procedures make it more difficult than usual for
        Congress to act.

        The new health care panel, which the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates would save $28 billion
        from 2015 to 2019, is designed to slow the growth of Medicare spending.
        The board must come up with “detailed proposals to reduce per capita
        Medicare spending in years when spending is expected to exceed targeted
        levels,” beginning in 2015, writes Washington and Lee University School of Law Professor Timothy S. Jost in a May article for the New England Journal of Medicine.

        But the board cannot propose any ” ‘death panel’-like rationing,” as
        falsely claimed by Palin. (Yes, it was Palin who popularized the term “death panel”
        during the health care debate last year. At that time, she used the
        phrase in reference to another health care proposal — although she was
        wrong then, too, as we wrote.)

        The fact is, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act specifically
        states on page 490 that the advisory board “shall not include any
        recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare
        beneficiary premiums.”

        Even if they could ration health care, advisory panel members are not
        to be the “ultimate arbiters.” It’s true that the Health and Human
        Services secretary must implement those recommendations and Congress
        cannot change them unless it can come up with other ways to save an
        equivalent amount of money. As we have written
        before, the intent is to make it difficult for Congress to change the
        recommendations. Still, members of Congress can make changes, so they
        are the “ultimate arbiters.” (Congress can even waive the requirement
        that it come up with equal savings by a vote of members in both houses,
        although that would require a three-fifths vote in the Senate, as the
        Congressional Research Service explained in a recent report.)

        The law is also specific on the membership of the board — which Palin
        falsely states will be made up of “bureaucrats, not medical
        professionals.” The board will consist of 15 voting members appointed by
        the president with the advice and consent of the Senate. Before
        submitting his choices, the president is directed to consult with
        Democratic and Republicans leaders in both houses of Congress.

        The American Medical Association summarizes the makeup of the board this way:

        American Medical Association, undated: Appointed
        members of the IPAB will include individuals with national recognition
        for their expertise in health finance and economics, actuarial science,
        health facility management, health plans and integrated delivery
        systems, health facilities reimbursement, allopathic and osteopathic
        physicians, other providers of health services, and other related fields
        who provide a mix of professionals, broad geographic representation,
        and balance between urban and rural areas.

        IPAB members must include (but not be limited to) physicians and
        other health professionals, experts in the area of pharmaco-economics or
        prescription drug benefit programs, employers, third-party payers,
        individuals skilled in the conduct and interpretation of biomedical,
        health services, and health economics research, and expertise in
        outcomes and effectiveness research and technology assessment. Members
        must also include individuals representing consumers and the elderly.

        Huckabee: Never Supported Cap and Trade … Period?
        On Dec. 15, an article
        posted on the website RealClearPolitics said: “Huckabee supported
        mandatory cap-and-trade in late 2007 when he was running for president,
        as did the eventu

      • Nope, rationing is the only way to cut spending when it needs to be cut. Remaining quality life years is way ObamaCare does it. Inform yourself. Your Mom is in competition for the available dollars with Juan. Didn’t you read the link I posted about Dr. Dean? Don’t know how you put that in there about Huckabee, but he is against Obama, ObamaCare, and cap and trade. He has a great show on Sat night 8 PM on Fox News. You need to watch and get some real information. IN the UK, where they have already have socialized medicine, the ration care to the elderly all the time. Watch your hero here and look into your future,

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo

      • What is your point? I really don’t care what the UK does. Did the little old lady get her pacemaker? They didn’t ration that and she has live 5 more years. There is a lot more said than what is on this video. That explains a lot. This is the reason I don’t believe republicans and you. The video is cut and edited.
        THIS SITE USED THE TRANSCRIPT to debunk a republican governors misleading comments on this subject.
        http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/03/dan-lungren/lungren-says-obama-would-have-government-require-c/.
        Huckabee, was the next article that I picked up when I copied. Palin article……….oops

      • The old lady got her pacemaker, but that was before ObamaCare. When it is in affect she would not. Would you call her an “old lady” if it was your Mom? The UK has had socialized medicine longer than us and is further down the rationing road than we will be for a while. It is important and the ages of received care will start moving down. It is the only way to save money. Not sure where you got all this stuff, probably some union talking points memo. So that wasn’t Obama telling her to just take a pill. Amazing, sure sounded like him. When it happens to your Mother, maybe you will change your tune. Go beat your pail.

      • Typical republican quote someone leave a word out.”Little old lady”
        which changes OLD LADY into something small and cuddly and I would have know problem calling her a LITTLE OLD LADY. the ones that piss me off are the men that call their wives THIS IS MY OLD LADY. that locks up my jaw. I told you i don’t care about What the UK is doing.

        “Not sure where you got all this stuff, probably some union talking
        points memo. So that wasn’t Obama telling her to just take a pill.
        Amazing, sure sounded like him.

        HELLO!!!! I said nothing about it not being OBAMA.
        DAMN REPUBLICAN. This is what I said; There is a lot more said than what is on this video. How in the hell could you get it wasn’t Obama from this. Your a republican that explains every thing.
        HELLO AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! So you don’t know where I got all this stuff.
        WELL ASS WIPE http://www.politifact.com/trut….this is called a link click on it and you will find where I got this stuff and it wasn’t from a union talking points memo.

      • Why would I bother with an opinion piece from a left winger talking about what a congressman said about what Obama said when I can hear Obama saying it for myself. You would have been better off seeing what has actually happened in the UK with the same type of socialized medicine. You union thugs are all alike.

      • To many facts for you to handle. this is not an opinion piece and it is for sure not left wing any thing. it come from one of the most trusted and honest organizations for debunking lies and myths This one is based in Florida you ever here of Florida?
        They debunk lies from both parties. If you want the truth this is one of the few places you can find it.

        The film clip was cut and edited and did not tell the whole story you can not hear it if it is not prsinted to you now can you?

      • I heard it with my own ears,. Am I going to believe my own ears of some lying left wing journalist? Sorry about your Mom. She will be way down on the list.,

      • FOXNEWS brainwashed fool!! I really feel sorry that YOU have let them get in your head so deep!!
        If it weren’t for unions, we would have NEVER, EVER , even heard of a thing called the ” MIDDLE CLASS”, it’s still the he UPPER and the POOR classes, just, as it seems, is exactly what YOU want!!
        Thanks for NOthing buddy!!

      • The middle class and the upward mobility of all classes is waht sets America apart from the rest of nations. A person can come up with a good idea and with hard work become wealthy. This make you hate him for some reason. We used to emulate success, The unions have taught you to hate them, Anybody that changes their life and becomes successful is a scab to you, This is why you only have 6 % and falling belonging to unions. We have a lots more than that in the middle class. Unions are no longer a part of things. They have gone the way of the steam engine,

      • About the woman in the video: it would take an act of God to get her a job…….. And one woman does not make a majoraty..

      • and I never said you did. I was telling you that this woman in no way represents most people. Why do you keep talking about something we both agreed on. Yes there is fraud in this program.
        Is it as prolific as you claim? The reporter that clammed getting three phones is a right wing journalist that you find at Fox News, Newsmax, the Blaze and on and on. Juilian Kay Melchior has authored a story on here supposed life experiences. If any thing she says is true, she herself is guilty of phone fraud. The story is very unbelievable
        “I saw all the horror stories of people getting 10, 20, 30, 40 phones”

        Has anyone but her seen any these horror stories? I have looked and have not found any horror stories on this subject.

        This should be labeled fiction. OH YEAH SHE NEVER SAID IT TOOK MINUTES TO GET.

      • Glad to see you are watching good news. I have seen multiple stories on it and even the dems in congress want reform. Only people like you want the fraud to continue. You sure you don’t have an Obama phone?

      • You ass wipe I have agreed there is fraud. I don’t condone it and where you got the idea I do was fabricated by you in your pea sized brain. So you say you have seen multiple stories on people getting 10, 20, 30, 40 phone. well why are you not backing this claim up with links or something other than just what you say????????. It is people like me that don’t believe in all the hip spewed out by people like you that makes things seam worse than they really are. Like all the lies about voter fraud that as a nation don’t have and never have. You blow everything out of proportion.
        You can take this to this to the bank…..they are working on it. If their efforts in curbing this fraud is not up to your expectations. You should handle it yourself.

      • You will never see the true stories because you limit yourself to only the liberal news. You condone fraud by not insisting to your representatives that it exist. Gone up by a fact or 4 since Obama and you claim no widespread fraud., Lots of voter fraud out there and that is exactly why the democrats are against trying to stop i.t You have to show ID to get a cold pill and for just about everything else. You seem incapable of thinking things through., Why not show an ID other than to protect cheaters? You Mommy would not appreciate your attitude or nastiness.

      • The Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) has recently closed two cases involving Strategic Allied Consulting,
        a Republican hired vendor. Although investigators found at least 11
        voter registration forms that were of questionable authenticity, no
        charges were filed due to lack of evidence. Strategic Allied Consulting
        is the subject of three ongoing cases in Florida. A FDLE spokesperson
        said that no details could be provided regarding those cases.
        Last November two Republican voters in separate states decided to prove how easy it would be to vote illegally. Both were arrested and charged with voter fraud.
        In February 2012 a jury found Indiana’s Republican secretary of state, Charlie White, guilty on six counts of voter fraud, theft, and perjury.
        Four staffers of Republican congressman Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI) were indicted last August,
        charged with submitting over 1,500 “forged and falsified” signatures in
        what the Michigan attorney general, also a Republican, called a
        “blatant” and “disgraceful” attempt to qualify the congressman for last
        year’s ballot.

        Is this the voter fraud you claim as being a big problem?

        http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/21/shocker-republicans-account-for-most-cases-of-u-s-voter-fraud/

      • I say the videos. One obtained a ballot for Eric Holder on hidden camera and was directed to a booth. There were at least 6 others. They never voted, they just got the ballots on hidden camera. They got into trouble only when they went public. A TV station in Lee County, FL compared the people who used the excuse of not being a citizen to get out of jury duty (made up from voter roles) and found 96 illegals who had voted (one as many as sic times). This was all done in one afternoon, Florida is now in a law suit with Eric Holder to try and clean up voter roles from obvious cheating. The only reason dems don’t like this is because they get the votes.

      • The reason these 7 massive amount of voter fraud didn’t vote is if they did they would have actually been guilty of voter fraud. The punishment for voter fraud is as high as 5 years in prison and $10,000 fine for each count. Would you or any illegal alien or anyone in their right mind risk this just to cast a meaningless fraudulent vote? The hidden camera for this and people that show the ease of getting into supposedly secure arias like at airports get into trouble when actually the should be thanked for show the on site security that there are flaws in there system.
        you are really grasping a straws in your last two replies. Pretty darn weak. OK What did these 96 illegas get for committing voter fraud?
        Was it just the thrill of doing something that they could be deported or locked up in prison and a $10,000 fine. The fool that did it 6 times would have been looking at 30 years and $60,000. Sorry it just not make sense. Is that TV station owned by FOX NEWS? and they did all this in one after noon.My my my. It is going to take a lot more than your weak argument to convince me their is any threat from voter fraud in this country.

      • Voter fraud is very hard to catch. You can look up the results of the 96 illegals at google.com. If you watched Fox news you would be better informed. How much voter fraud is acceptable to you? Give a number. What is the penalty if the district I was discussing. Voter fraud happens and mostly it is democrat. That is why you don’t want it. Why do you have a problem showing ID. You do it all the time, why not for the wonderful right to vote?

      • Getting all your information from left wing sources leads to the type of thinking that plagues you. (not thinking at all). Just what level of voter fraud is acceptable to you? Why do you resent people showing ID’s to vote when they have to show it for many other activities of daily life? The only reason I can think of is wishing voter fraud to continue.

      • “Just what level of voter fraud is acceptable to you?”
        Zero
        “Why do you resent people showing ID’s to vote”
        I don’t
        ” The only reason I can think of is wishing voter fraud to continue.”
        When group of people use voter fraud as an excuse to disenfranchise groups of people from voting then that is when I have a problem with everything you say, do, and want,

      • I do not see the harm in it ether but I am not arrogant enough to think I know everything and there could be a reason that it is apposed and in some states it has been declared unconstitutional.
        plus what I wrote in the last post
        “When group of people use voter fraud as an excuse to disenfranchise
        groups of people from voting then that is when I have a problem with
        everything you say, do, and want.

      • HELLO!!!!!!!!
        I am not arrogant enough to think I know everything and there could be a
        reason that it is apposed and in some states it has been declared
        unconstitutional.
        What this means is I admitted that I don’t know how this could disenfranchise anyone but knowing the source and reputation of the people that have wanted this makes me leery of the true out come of this seemingly harmless idea. for instance THE RIGHT TO WORK has nothing to do with granting anyone the right to work. Here is another. PAY CHECK PROTECTION this in no way protects anyone’s pay check and if does why were the police and fire men got an exemption. I guess there checks don’t need protecting??????? deception is as bad as lying.

      • You are the one who brought up disenfranchisement and now you admit you don’t know what it is. This is proof once again that you don’t think for yourself. You just read the union handouts and don’t even understand them. Shameful that an adult would allow himself to get so dominated by a thug. It is all about wanting to keep the illegal voting going. Don’t you realize that when an illegal vote is cast, it negates my vote which is a constitutional right. You can’t tell me which states voter ID has been declared unconstitutional. It has just be declared legal by the US Supreme Court. Right to Work means you have the right to a job without having to pay off some union thug. The state does not allow the union to have veto power over you job. It is called freedom. Pretty neat concept isn’t it.

      • floridanative;
        “You are the one who brought up disenfranchisement and now you admit you
        don’t know what it is.”

        Classic republican tactic. Read something and twest it into what you want to say and change the meaning and more than was originally there.
        Yes I did mintion disenfranchisement. NO I DID NOT ADMIT I DID NOT KNOW WHAT IT WAS.Tell me how could any one could interpret this to mean I admitted I did not know what disenfranchisement.

        floridanative;
        “This is proof once again that you don’t think for
        yourself.”

        If you consider this as proof of anything when I disproved your accusation of me saying something I did not say and have the ability of copying and pasting the exact words of what I did say.
        The only thing this proves is you are a true republican dork that will try in any way to make yourself look as ignorant as you passably can by repeating lies you have fabricated.

        floridanative;
        “You just read the union handouts and don’t even understand
        them.”

        You are really a piece of work, trying to convince me that I am what i am not.

        floridanative;
        “Shameful that an adult would allow himself to get so dominated by a
        thug.”

        You….as hard as you try have not dominated me at all and to call yourself a thug is a step in the right direction.

        floridanative;
        “It is all about wanting to keep the illegal voting going. Don’t
        you realize that when an illegal vote is cast, it negates my vote which
        is a constitutional right.”

        Why do you assume that illegal vote would cancel your vote?
        Voter fraud could add votes to yours.

        floridanative;
        “You can’t tell me which states voter ID has
        been declared unconstitutional.”

        I can tell you one…Texas I live here.

        floridanative;
        “It has just be declared legal by the US
        Supreme Court. Right to Work means you have the right to a job without
        having to pay off some union thug.”

        WAITE……..WAITE. Another classic case of the writings in the republican hand book under the chapter of “If you can’t lie your way out of a situation…..CHANGE THE SUBJECT. we have been talking about voter fraud what has the right to work laws have any thing to do with that???????????

        The state does not allow the union to
        have veto power over you job. It is called freedom. Pretty neat concept
        isn’t it.

      • You were just spouting back your union talking points without understanding them. Still haven’t given any examples. You have been talking about Right to Work, Can your brain not multitask? The US Supreme Court has overruled that. Be prepared to show your ID next time you vote, You can’t use your Sam’s Club card.

      • I answered this but it didn’t get posted
        ” The only reason I can think of is wishing voter fraud to continue.”
        Zero.

        “Why do you resent people showing ID’s to vote”
        I don’t
        But what I do have a problem with is when a group of people use voter fraud as an excuse to work out ways to disenfranchise other groups from voting.

      • Nobody is being disenfranchised. I know that you just copied that down from a left wing webiste, because that world is too big for you.

      • This is not voter fraud this about influence and control and republicans this secret organization known as “THE MACHINE” is a secret society representing a league of select and almost exclusively white fraternities and sororities, The accusations of voter fraud in this article are just that a “accusations” until the investigations are over.

      • I remember them, they hold their meetings in area 51 and come in with black helicopters. Now why are you against anybody having to show a common ID for voting when it is necessary for all manor of other things in our daily lives. Even a state issued welfare card is sufficient. Why are you against this? Don’t give me any other crap. Just answer why you are against it.

      • Like I’ve just been telling him, he doesn’t have a clue as to what WORK is!! Of course, since I think he’s getting paid to put his idiot comments in here, then , maybe he is posting as he does his job!! YATHINK?

      • I don’t get paid,. I make money. getting paid is for guys like you. I am on the computer quite a bit every day, making my money, Lifting boxes what you call work is very limiting.

      • Most everything you think and say and most of all, YOUR life , is very very limited!! And, I’d much rather say that I worked like a MAN for my money instead of sitting on my ass, typing with my pussy little fingers!!( like you do, cutey pie) I doubt if you make much, because you’re too busy on this site , wasting your time!!
        I hope you are “working”, for yourself, because, otherwise, you would have been fired long ago!!
        YOU suck, at your comments and apparentlyly you are too young and inexpwrienced in life to know what the hell you are talking about anyway!!

      • You traded hours for dollars and let somebody else take the risks and then they got the rewards. You couldn’t stand that. I used to do that when younger, but you were unable to rise above it. Looks like it made you very bitter, Sad case. We used to emulate success, now people like you attack it. Jealousy is the reason I guess. You do well in a union setting where everybody is average. That works OK for those below average, but not for those capable of achieving better things.

      • you stupid little bastard, I made more money then than you do now!! YOU don’t know what the hell you’re talking about!! I’m not bitter at my life, I’m bitter at people like you that don’t want anyone elase but themselves have a life!!
        Everybody at a the world’s largest communications company , IS and WAS NOT AVERAGE< YOU are average, an average repig spoiled baby boy/girl!!
        I've never been jealous of anybody, except guys that got better looking girls than me!! I can assure you, that everybody around where I lived and worked were jealous of me and my job!!
        AND, quit lying about NOT being paid to sit on your as 24/7 repling back in seconds to every single comment, here at 9:39 P.M. at night!! YOU are a liar!!

      • You are obviously bitter. We are all responsible for our own lives. You want the union to be responsible. I have a smart phone and get a tone on each email I get because many of them (unlike yours) are important to me. I don’t sit around waiting to answer yours.

      • Buddy, YOU HAVE ATONE ALRIGHT!! It buzzez in your brain-washed head 24/7, and it comes from the bees at W-mart!! Give it up ,idiot!! You work for them and you’re brainwashed for a lousy $15.00 an hour !!
        YOU should be ashamed of YOUESLF for supporting a place that wants to keep people in the hole all their lives!!

      • Don’t work for them and never have. I do believe in the free market though. Sam Walton borrowed $5,000 from his father-in-law and turned it into am $80 BILLION company. That is the American way. All companies have to compete with each other. Ever look around a new Wal-Mart, it soon becomes a center for commerce. Small business and franchisees popup almost immediately. You want the people in West Virginia to continue to buy from small stores with little choice and much higher prices just because you don’t like Wal-Mart because they, like most large retailers, have been able to keep out the unions. Very selfish of you. You want those old folks and single mothers to pay a lots more for their necessities to satisfy your political need’s. Very selfish of you and you should be ashamed. When these folks have to pay more for necessities, they have less left over for discretionary expenses. (fun stuff). You are directly thanking the fun away from the poor and their kids. Many of these kids are minorities. That makes you a curmudgeon and a racist. Shameful;. That is as bad as you condoning the murder of nonunion coal miners, but still makes you a pretty bad person.

      • YOU are one warped little boy!! What would have happened if Sam Walton’e father-in-law didn’t have $5,000, or just told him, NO??? In other words, you’re saying that people don’t help others to get ahead in life, RIGHT???
        You’re the one who wants to keep the poor (as you call them) poor!! I want them to make more money than the pissy current minimum wage, so , they can have money to have FUN things!! and maybe pay their rent on time!!YOUR mind is totally screwed up!!
        I absolutely did NOT condone any murder, you fool liar!! But, you, you condone indirect MURDER of workers just so your boss buddies can make more profit!! YOU are the scum of the earth!! Turning my words around into your puke!!
        Piss ant, YOU are the BAD person, the real problem is, you’re too damned stupid to even realize it!!
        YOU are a friggin lying scum bag, you do work for W-mart and you have no job other than that!! There is no way in hell you can come back two seconds after every comment I make and ec=ver have time to do any real work !!
        That’s is exactly why I have kept fooling around with your ignorant as for so long!!
        You’re a worthless , user, punk, spoiled rotten little pussy!!And talking to you is like talking to the north end of a south bound mule!!
        Have a nice life with Wally-world !! AND KMA !!

      • I read Sam Walton’s book. Very good. Most businesses get started with loans (mine too). It works out well for both sides. People with a burning desire to be successful like Sam Walton find a way to succeed. People satisfied with failure, retire 19 years too early. Thomas Edison started out poor. Henry Food did also. People willing to risk it all for a chance of success deserve their rewards. Below average people who depend on their union bosses to get them something for nothing. You are willing to live off the labor of others and won’t even admit it. You are getting upset again. Please take your meds.

      • People who retire 19 years early, as you say are very successful and people who take a buyout and have saved enough before that, are very successful!! People who get out of the younger peoples’ way , instead of sucking off a tit for 19 years longer than necessary are very thoughtful of the younger generation !! I lived off of NO ONE , YOU do though, W-mart!!
        People who went to work, and , I mean WORK, at the age of 19 and stayed at the same carreer for over 30 years are successful and smart !! Much more so than a fool like YOU, working as a scum-bag carpet-bagger for a people using joint like W-mart! And, don’t give me the crap about taking chances by borrowing money from your father-in-law (SAM)as NOT having help in success!!!!
        I mean, for God’s sake, we all borrow money for homes and cars and etc., etc., and take a risk of losing it all!! Except people that work at places like W-fart, because they can’t and don’t make enough to get accepted for a loan!! DUH!!!Please, give it up, you are extremely stupid for your age!!
        People who hurt so bad for the last 7 years they worked that they could,nt even sit still for five minutes and have had both shoulders totally replaced deserve their rewards also!!
        Above average people that take a union job and PAY their dues and have enough sense to know what is best for themselves and their families ,instead of listening to liars and con artist like you are very smart and successful!!
        YOU are losing again and you are being a fool again, so, take your crack pipe and burn somemore while you sit on your ass doing nothing but making $12.00 or $15,00 an hour , for W=mart!! Or whichever pay it really is, more like $7.25 or $8.00 an hour!!

      • Lets see 65 minus 51 doesn’t equal 19 does it. I can see how you are embarrassed about being on the dole and depending on those actually working for your necessities. As I told you before, I don”t trade hours for money, The purpose of the union is to make everybody average and dependent on seniority, Merit is the way of the free market. Those who have it don;t goes to unions.

      • What the hell are you spewing out now?? What are your figures?? I had mt interview before Christmas in 1970 and was told to report to work after the holidays in 1971! I retired in 2001, the Friday before 9/11 and got my last actual paycheck on Friday after 9/11! I am 62, you dumb-ass, and , I told you that!! So, I can’t see how the hell you ever qualified for that loan you got for a business, with your smarts!!
        2001 minus 1971 = 30 years!! Go figure , you stupid punk!!1
        When YOU get to 62, then , you tell me about a dole or whatever !! If you are so stupid at your job that you have to work all the way to 66, then, I can’t really help that!!
        The purposr of a union is to keep the company from crapping on people with , NO saftey rules, NO representation on anything, first and formost!! Secondly, to have the employees paid at a rate compatible with the profu=its of the company, which , those profits are made for the company by their employees doing their job !!
        YOU are really quite mis-informed about things YOU don’t have one damned clue about!!
        Which is par for the course with young people today!!You just don’t understand what it took for YOU to be able to have the things and the oppurtunities you have today!!
        Your ignorance is amazing!!

      • I said you retired 14 years early at age 51. That is correct. You said 19 years. You were wrong. You have an extra 14 years on the dole between 51 and 65 which is the normal retirement age. Only 6 % of the private sector is unionized. Where is this widespread crapping on the workers and why has the % of unionized private sector worker plummeted? Why. Now to try and clear up your next mistake about only 10% of unionized workers ever have voted to belong to a union. That is what I said and you said it was a lie. Now have you ever voted to join a union? I am not talking about voting for a contract. Have you ever worked for a nonunion company and voted to have a union? That is the question.

      • NOPE, most unions have been formed 50 to 75 years ago or more!! But, I can tell you one thing, I looked for the first rep I could find to fill out my application to join the union!! Unlike a scab, like YOU!! That is why there is only maybe 10 % as you say that has voted for a union, because places like wal-mart , target, macy’;s, etc., will fire these people if they hear one word about a union!! How can they vote for a union , if theirrights to do so are blocked by corporate thugs , ththreatehing them if they even listen to a union organizer!! YOU are such astupid fool!!
        Tell me something, Have YOU ever really WORKED at a real job in your punk ass life?? Who paid for your college, and, DON”T LIE to me!!
        These questions you ask mean nothing, to anyone, but ,YOU apparently!!

        Besides, what is the deal with that!! YOUR Fu%^ing w-mart won’t let people vote on the union, that’s why they won’t, because they’re scared it would pass!!
        You can take this dole shit and stick it up your ass!! Are you that jealous?? Hell, I got out of the young one’s way and that is what they all grip about so much, union or non-union!! What is up with you? , other than the fact you like making an ass out of yourself!!

      • You told me that I was wrong and that I lied about the 10% now you say I was right, This union has spent tens of millions of dollars of their members money trying to get cards signed with zero success. They have no success because the employees don’t want a union, Who wants to join folks who run around beating on a bucket with a wooden spoon and stand outside their business yelling obscenities to their customers. The horrible reputation for corruption and violence preceded them and they won’t win.

      • Right after you take a few classes on CORPORATE injustice to the workers over the years and figure out why unions were formed to begin with, then tell me about corruption and violence and murder and about child labor and sweat shops and about killinf people on the railroad jobs across this country and dumping their bodies in the ditch next to the tracks, like they were nothing but buzzard food!! Get over your stupid self , punk!!

      • I won’t have to show you!! After your kind have their way and they have total control over every working person, you’ll find out for yourself!! And, if you don’t get off this blog and get back to work , making your big bucks, you just might not be rich enough to fit into the big boys club either and they’ll Fu^&*k you too!! Time will tell, it always does!! Keep your back covered !!

      • It doesn’t happen as blatently NOW, you ding-dong, because of the UNIONS!! Think some!! WITH YOUR OWN MIND!!

      • Just how much has W=mart, ALEC, and others spent on beating unions?? Plus, whatever little they’re paying YOU!!

      • Must have been enough, because union membership is plummeting. The only ones that remember the good things unions did in the old days are dying off. ObamaCare will finish them off.

      • STUPID COMMENT!! You’re gonna finish yourself off, because , you don’t give a damn about anybody or anything but yourself and your friggin money!! And, to be as young as you seem to be, that is a real shame and a eath sentence you are imposing on yourself!!

      • Smart business people know that their workers are a great resource and we do everything we can to nurture and keep the good ones. You never worked in that kind of an environment because the union taught you to hate the “man”. It is a totally different world out there and you live in the old one. It costs a lot of money to train folks and good business people pay well and retain the best. Complainers and the lazy don’t last long.

      • I said I started working at the company I retired at the age of 19!! Dumb ass!! I retired in 2001!! Damn, you are truly as stupid as Spec1956!!

      • Yeah! SO!! Read my last comment about your ignorant dole crap, you are so damned stupid it is becoming a real laugh!!
        And if a person is successful and has prepared well enough and is offered a BUY-OUT, when and why is retirement at anytime TOO early??

      • SORRY, Mr. perfect!! YOU are lying! YOU said, that,” People satisfied with failure, retire 19 years too early”!
        Just another one of your MISTAKES!!

      • NOPE, and I see YOU haven’t gotten one from YOUR W=mart job either!! Give it a rest man, you work for W-mart , ther’s NO way you’d respond so fast after 2 days , if you really had a real job!!
        My last comment to you and yours!! It’s just a waste of good time!!

      • As I have said many times. I have a Smart phone as opposed to your Obamaphone. I get a different tone of email, text or call. I know immediately when I get an email as I use it for my business. When it is you or the other fool, I know at once. This site is run by the grocery’s union you know.

      • SPEAKING of the other FOOL, HOW about you and yours!!( prop 1) YOU are run by W-mart, and, YOU”RE a damned idiot!!
        I don’t give a damn what or who runs this site, you’re a greedy, people hating, butt sucking prick and That is all it is to it!!
        Don’t be calling me a fool, unless you want to be a REAL HYPOCRITE!!

      • You prove yourself to be a fool with every post. Your language needs some work. Are you taking your meds.

      • When you have no truth or fact on your side and unable to disprove your opponents claims – make things up, make personal attacks and use schoolyard name calling. Floridanativee owns you.

      • Disprove WHAT claims ?? Disprove WHAT facts?? He never says anything that makes any sense for anybody , BUT, HIMSELF!! And, mosy of of his comments about the things we have talked about , have absolutely nothing to do with HIS life or job or whatever!!
        Just why does HE hate raising the minimum wage so bad?? If his business is so great, what would another 25 cents on a hamburger at McD’s hurt him or YOU??? But, the raise would help these workers immensely!!
        The trouble is, the school-boy name calling is the perfect response for a SCHOOL BOY!! And, that goes for YOU too!
        I have given him facts and examples , but, he’s too stupid to listen or look!!
        OWNS ME!! HA!HA!HA! Maybe , YOU, he owns but, NOT ME!! I’ve been there and done that over and over, and , he or you , don’t have clue!!
        No need to continue to talk to YOU brainwashed repig idiots!! Like talking to a fart in the wind!!

      • What facts and claims? Read your own posts, they’re littered with false hypothetical, rare worst case scenario purported as typical, a union/socialist belief system that’s at odds with free markets and freedom in general. floridanativee owns you because he consistently countered you with cool, logical responses. Whereas, YOU respond with personal attacks, sophomoric name calling and off topic nonsense.

        With regard to your $0.25 hamburger increase: Why not $0.50? $1.00? It would do so much more for the worker. Where do you draw the line, $10? Exactly who is empowered to tell the private owner of the hamburger outlet (or any other business owner) how much he must charge for his product or pay his employees in a free market? The U.S. IS a free market capitalist system like most other democracies – right?

        You don’t seem to grasp the unintended consequence of ‘control’ policies (whether imposed by a ‘big brother’ government or union extortion) that meddle in the market and restrict the freedom and liberty of private citizens. Your ‘hamburger’ hypothetical directly equates to inflation. Inflation erodes purchasing power, requiring more income to maintain the same standard of living. We once had the luxury of tolerating such things in our economy, globalization and technology changed all that. Inflation, outsourcing and automation are modern side effects to your beliefs. Look at the auto and steel industries – unrestrained union extortion drove up the price of labor to a point where automation (robotics) and outsourcing devastated employment. Globalization, has made low cost foreign labor markets easily accessible to manufacturers.

        The ‘dream’ and advantages America enjoyed since WWII have come to a close. Today we have serious global competitors who are eating our lunch in education, engineering and production. As the ‘baby boomers’ retire, our middle class is eroding with our skill and manufacturing base. Our leaders are clueless and propose impotent ‘jobs’ programs. Like artificial wage controls, well intended ‘job’ programs only create temporary ‘make busy’ jobs, fail to create a market (and profits) and depend on siphoning funding from the productive (taxes) or borrowing (more). Companies exist to make profit; workers, government, suppliers and owners feed off that profit. In the quest for profit, businesses will shift ‘costs’ to the lowest cost producer – be it a robot or a China-man. I’m sorry if that’s not fair or equates to how you think the world should be. It’s the way things are – all over the planet.

        Union extortion is no longer effective in the competitive market, you can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip. That’s why only public sector unions are growing – and they’re a conflict of interest to the taxpayer. The law of supply and demand are inescapable. If you want to make more money, get a better skill set (advice that our country can use). We all get the same number of hours in a day, how we use them defines our success.

        Frankly, your responses and demeanor are rude and disrespectful – is that the kind of person you really are? Do you treat your friends and love ones with similar disrespect? If so, that’s regrettable.

      • Whole lot of typing that is saying nothing but the same old , rather tiresome repig bull about raising the minimum slave wages that have been stuck where they are for too long!! Whine some more !!
        Cool, and calm, NOTHINGS, he has to be cool and calm because he is full of nonsense, that comes from a generation of babies that thinks the whole world has always been like it is now, and, it JUST happened !! Nobody worked to have it here for you little whiny punks, BUT, YOU claim it for yourself like YOU did it all!!
        You both are pitiful and unexperienced in life!!
        BUT, thank God for one thing, IT”S GONNA CHANGE for you both, sooner than you think!! Hope it’s not too late for the country by that time!!

      • I really don’t have much respect for people that start calling me a racist or a bigot, for absolutely NO reason!! And, I also don’t think much of people who think that a “free market”, should be allowed to keep people in the poor house, so that they can and ARE making historically high profits , and sending jobs overseas for 38 cent an hour wages, and on and on!! It is just NO reason for the lack of business ethics in this country that is going on now , BUT for,PURE GREED!!
        And, if , as it seems you do, approve of this kind of degredation of the poor and lower middle class, while the gap between the haves and have nots is growing by leaps and bounds everyday, ( in favor of the haves)!! Then , I have NO respect for you or your kind!!
        CLEAR ENOUGH!!
        YOU don’t grasp the fact, that, there is much more to life than JUST MONEY!! If you’re being successful and making a great living, why the hell are you so adament on keeping others that aren’t as bleesed as you from being able to have a damned thing??

      • Since I have NEVER mentioned one word about RACE, and now you’re bringing in the race card for some strange reason, I think YOU are a RACIST!!
        But, then that is what they teach at repig/lying 101class!! If your ass is getting kicked to the curb, CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!!
        YOU LOSE AGAIN, dumb-ass!!

      • You want the poor to have to buy their goods from the small expensive Mom and Pop stores where they have very little choice. Minorities are heavily represented in the poor. You wanting to hurt them economically by preventing them from shopping at Superstores makes you a racist. Very shameful. I know your WV Senator Byrd used to be in the KKK so maybe it just runs in your area.

      • Mimcneely is Obviously correct, you are living in your little fanatsy world. You still need to get off of the drugs, and seek employment.

      • You can thank me for this advice also, floridanativve, putdown the bottle, and sober up. You are not making any sense at all.

      • the unions didn’t lose them, you and your corporate buddies gave them away to China, etc!! I think you and KM went to the same 2nd grade repig B.S. class together and you both failed!!

      • The unions through their excessive costs and restrictive work rules drove things like steel and manufacturing offshore. These are facts and denying them doesn’t change the, You are doming yourself to making the same ones over again..The non UAW auto plants are thriving in the right to work states. The differences are they can bee efficient via no feather bedding and restrictive work rules and normal retirement ages. They now account for over half of the US made cars and are increasing. The UAW plants even though they got a $95 BILLION bailout will be bankrupt again in a decade. Unions drive companies under. Look what happened in the grocery industry. Wal-Mart took 25% of the nations grocery business and mainly from union shops. They are toast.

      • YOU are full of crap!! I hope the KOCH bros are your buddies, because, when this union busting, outsoursing game is complete, they’ll get YOUR ass next!!
        Unions DON’t drive anything under!! We have been the driving force for fair pay and reprensentation and saftey, for many years and during those years this country was the best and strongest it has ever been!!
        You’ve been sucked in by the repig, corporate vacuum !! It may be nice for you now, but, they’ll gutt you as soon as they’re done with YOUR fool ass!!
        YOUR corporatations are the cause of this destruction of our country!! Outsoursing , bad loans to people they knew would fail at the first little blip in the economy, financial companies stealing hard working peoples’ savings, jacked up fuel cost,and the list goes on and on!! It all goes back to corporate GREED and if you believe any different , you’re stupid!!
        You can stop wasting your propaganda breath with me, I’m too old and seen and been through too much to even think of listening to YOUR crap!!
        Your kind has made this global crap up with a purpose in mind, and that purpose is to bust ALL unions and put the American workforce back in the middle ages of sweat shops and child labor!! They have paid billions to build in foreign countrys to get their 38 cent an hour workforce, and NO saftey rules, AND, then, nuts like YOU have the gaul to blame unions!! Buddy, don’t keep making yourself look any more puppy dog stupid!!

      • What is this fascination you union thug have with the Kochs? Who cares.The unions have been in decline for 40 years, long before them. They are in decline because of corruption and greedy union bosses. The non union US auto workers (over half and growing) have better pay, better working conditions, better safety records, more more secure future, and are happier in their jobs. You are living way in the past. Ever look at a Wal-Mart grocery and compare it to a union grocery. Much cleaner, better variety, shelves full, happier employees. The stock is fresher becasue they sell it through. Wal-Mart does not send money to foreign countries for stuff. They stock exactly what the customer wants. If the customers wants jackets made in China, they will buy it from Wal-Mart or somebody else. Retailers who don’t stock what the customer wants soon go under they don;t teach you that in your union propaganda sessions I am sure, but think about it. They must tell you about all the good things the unions did 50 years ago and about the Kock guys. Who cares.

      • floridanass:
        you would care if you were in a sweat shop making these products.
        you would care if your children were in that same sweat shop working as hard as you do just to be able to buy a bowl of rice. You would care if your mother was in that same sweat shop at the age of 75 because there is no retirement. you would care if the garment company cought fire and the exit doors were locked. some of us do care that is why their sales are down.

      • The free market has gotten all of these things for workers. Employers compete to get the best employees. Unions at 6% of the total private sector are not much of a factor if anything.

      • floridanass:
        HA HA HA HA HA HA. in what country and it sure wasn’t any of the countries that Walmart deals with.
        If the 6% unionized workers are not much of a factor why are you wasting your time?

      • The free market didn’t GET a damned thing for the workers!! It got plenty for the bosses though!!
        UNIONS and bargained for , fair contracts is what got these things for workers, long before YOU were even a wet dream!! Something , YOU can’t even remember , much less aspouse to!!
        How old are you anyway? 20, maybe!!!

      • Why would i care about what happened 50 years ago? Now unions run companies into the ground. The world has moved on from unions. We no longer need vacuum tubes easier. The huge success of the non union auto companies vs the UAW plants demonstrate this totally..

      • Typical selfish, stupid, foolish thinking!! I don’t think you are keeping up with the suto industry very well, The U.S. makers arre doing much better now, abd better than quite a few foreign comps., Thank YOU!!
        As far as the past, THE PAST IS WHAT MADE YOU, and , when YOU forget it, you’re done !!

      • GM is doing much better. Amazing what $85 BILLION of taxpayer money can do as well as having all of their debt and obligations wiped out can do, The transplants continue to increase market share. They have a huge financial advantage as they produce cars more efficiently. They have much more automation and no restrictive work rules, The employees are involved in the company and care what happens. They have thousands on their waiting list. Living in the past seems good for you, but looking to the future is what works.

      • If YOU really believe all this garbage , then, I do think YOU need to see a doctor, or get off the crack, or the GOP is really paying YOU good to be on here with your stupid, lying, crazy, PROPAGANDA !
        Of which, you really suck at!! HAPPY W=mart employees, GIVE ME A FRIGGIN BREAK!!
        You just lost any credibility with this comment!! It is pure foolishness and YOU are an idiot!!
        As far as me living in the past, YOU need to understand, I don’t want to go ack past the past to YOUR sweat shops and child labor!!
        The KOCH bro thing was a cut to your humanity!! I go to Kroger and it is twice as nice as W=mart and the employees their ARE HAPPY and friendly!! YOU”RE NUTS!
        That stuff about auto-workers and safety,and etc., is an absolute damned lie!! Get real man, you’re a bought and paid for fool!!
        I’m going to the Va. Tech football game and have some fun, will your GOP bosses let you off to have some fun, ?? I doubt it, so stay here and keep making a fool out of your mindless self!!

      • The non UAW plants are modern, clean, effecient, and safer, This isn’t in question, They don’t go out and get high or drunk during lunch, They have higher pay, no featherbedding and retire at a normal age just like the rest of the country, They do not drive their employers out of business and require a $95 BILLION taxpayer bailout.

      • MORE garbage from a fool!! HIGHER PAID< DRUNK and HIGH at lunch, YOU"RE friggin just plain STUPID and a damned LIAR on top of that!! Plants may be newer, but, that's about it with your childish blubber!!
        Give it up man, you ain't NO good at your game!!

      • Another intelligent post with no fact. Rather than call names you should dispute facts, but you can’t.

      • What FACTS ??? Dispute what facts?? Your intelligent post was as factless as a sack of nuts!! Your post only deserved name calls !!
        You’re right though, I can’t dispute something that isn’t there!!
        Are you real sure that YOU aren’t Ken Meyer?? You have the same game going!!
        And, like I said in the beginning, YOU ARE NOT a Florida native!! So, even your name is a factless LIE!!

      • It wouldn’t be very helpful if I could read minds , especially in YOUR case, since YOU have NO mind of your own, just what you’re told to say!!
        There is absolutely NOTHING to read in YOUR case!!

      • floridanavhguyi;
        mimcneely is not only cute, he is correct. You can’t read something that ain’t there.

      • YOU know, you’re always talking about, stuf being old fashioned and out of date, SO, FYI, the term THUG and GOON, are NOT even used except by fools like YOU who try to make union people look bad!!
        THUG, is a corporate CEO, etc., that steals from the company in very, undeserved, self-given bonuses!!
        I care , you little twerp!! I care about all the people and MY country,and, if YOU want to continue to live in this country , the way we’ve been blessed for the last 200 years, YOU had better start to CARE!!

      • Taking money from people who invested in GM and now don’t have a retirement so the union could have control of GM fits into the thug category in my opinion. Going out and getting drunk at a Jeep plant in Detroit fits into the goon category in my opinion. Screwing the Delco employees out of their retirement fits into the thug category. The guy who owns a 3 truck plumping company is a CEO. You can only talk about the big company CEO;s Almost all of the CEO’s work many, many hours and work harder than you ever did. You slander them, because you only listen to the propaganda from your union bosses.

      • Where do YOU get your friggin info!! The corporate bosses did these things all along!! What planet do you get your news from?? How about PATRIOT COAL< stealing their employees retirement???? Give me a break you dumbass!! I don't have any "union bosses", never did, you're the one with A BOSS, who's paying you peanuts to be here with all YOUR CORPORATE PROPAGANA!! Suck a nut, stupid!
        AND, punk!! I,ve worked harder and longer in my life than YOU or any friggin CEO has ever thought about!! I averaged 70 hours a week for YEARS( because the CEO wouldn't hire ANYONE for over 18 damned years) and came home and worked on my farm and raised 3 children , BY MYSELF!!
        HOW about YOU , you little twerp?? Tell the damned TRUTH for once!! YOU don't know a damned thing about WORK!! SO, STFU!! UNDERSTAND??

      • You don’t have a clue about the concept of RISK. All small business owners (CEO’s) understand that concept exactly. If they screw up, they can lose it all. It happens all the time and for reasons beyond their control (like having an anti business president). I don’t know at that coal company, but I do know the prior union president now Obama’s big buddy and head of a very large union was there when they had some very tough strikes and deaths of workers at union hands. You guys are just stuck in the past. You are not needed any more. Face it, employees are rejecting you at every turn. Rather than modernize, you just resort to more thuggery. You don’t try to ever present any fact, you just start getting nasty. If you didn’t like your job for 18 years, you should have quit it. Nobody would make you stay. If you had any gumption, you would have used your talents to start your own business and become a CEO yourself. Jealousy is a horrible thing.

      • YOU are nothing but a FOOL! Deaths at the hands of UNIONS, you’re totally dillusional or just stupid!!
        ME , not present facts, B.S., YOU never have ever!! All you do is blow smoke!!
        UNIONS aren’t all about MONEY, jerk, they are and ale=ways will be needed for, SAFTEY, REPRESENTATION from unfair treatment like nepotism,unfair racial, sexual, and other things in the work place!!
        YOU’re the one who can’t even remember anything whatsoever about why unions were stareted in the first place, and, let me tell you, punk, if they’re all done away with, the same old sweat shop, child labor, therow you in the ditch beside the railroad when you die from exhaustion , concept will fire right back up again!!
        Actually , I loved my job, abd I worked it very well, my point was , that , until the SCC got on their asses, they worked peope to death and never re-filled any vacancies!! YOU’re as dumb as sack of walnuts!!
        I’d would work you in the dirt!!

      • Look it up about the deaths of employees at the hands of the coal miners union. He said if you strike a match and stick it to you finger you will get burned. It is all about the money. The safety records of the transplant companies is better than that of the UAW plants. Not sure what the unions did 50 years ago is relevant to anybody today. I do know that Obama’s EPA at his instructions are killing the coal business. They are even stopping the export of coal because of dust along the rail roads and stopping new export ship loading in the North West. you buddy Obama is trying to bankrupt coal. You like that?

      • you buddy ? Really , none of your statements are coherent . Please put down the bottle , or stop whatever you are doing that is making you talk nonsense.

      • Why don’t you be a big hero to your buddies and prove me wrong. Everything I have said about the coal minors is the truth and you can’t accept it. Afraid to do so I guess.

      • YOU don’t know your ass from coal dust!! Thank God, somebody is making those greedy , coal kings clean up their act!!
        You’re always talking about OLD FASHIONED THINKING, damn man, coal is old as hell and dirty and all the people that live below these coal mines have to drink theor friffin sulpher water!! Breath their nasty air , but, YOU, Mister modern man, want to defend COAL!!1 HOW damned hypocritical can you get??
        The coal companies , with their hatred for saftey and love of greed has killed thousands of miners over the years, not the unions!! YOU are very ignorant !! Do you NOT remember Massey Coal, it wasn’t that long ago?? Nothing but pure MURDER for money!!
        And, tell me you piss ant, where the hell were all the coal companies and coal miners while your greedy rich boys were totally destroying the textile and furniture companies in SOUTHSIDE VIRGINIA???? Everything was just rosey for them, so, to hell with others!!
        Be real careful before you start in on me about textiles and furniture and tobacco!! REAL CAREFUL!!!
        HEY, did I tell you , YOU ARE A FOOL IDIOT!!

      • YOU tell ME, when and where their were any deaths at the hands of any union members towards anybody , and, I’ll look it up and check you and your lies out!! Especially since O’bama has been around !!
        Where are your facts?? I just told your ignorant ass about just one incident at Patriot Coal co., look it up stupid, you sit at a friggin machine with your face stuck in it all day, Google it, stop being so immature and stupid !! O!K!

      • http://www.nrtw.org/en/blog/richard-trumka-facts-09152609

        Take the murder of Eddie York, a nonunion contractor, who was shot in the back of the head and killed while leaving a worksite in 1993. Trumka and other UMW officials were charged in a $27 million wrongful death suit by Eddie York’s widow. After fighting the suit intensely for four years, UMW lawyers settled suddenly in 1997 — just two days after the judge in the case ruled evidence in the criminal trial would be admitted.

      • http://www.nrtw.org/en/blog/richard-trumka-facts-09152609

        Take the murder of Eddie York, a nonunion contractor, who was shot in the back of the head and killed while leaving a worksite in 1993. Trumka and other UMW officials were charged in a $27 million wrongful death suit by Eddie York’s widow. After fighting the suit intensely for four years, UMW lawyers settled suddenly in 1997 — just two days after the judge in the case ruled evidence in the criminal trial would be admitted.

      • OH! Who cares what happened so many years ago!!( which is YOUR mindset) And, if a union member did something that terrible, he should be put to death!! BUT, do you actually think ALL union people are that crazy??
        And, not to belittle this man’s life, that is ONE person, the travesty at the coal mine just a couple of years ago because of corporate failure to have saftey rules enforced cost 29 lives at one time!!
        YOU seem to forget what YOU want to and remember what suits YOU!!

      • You said it didn;t happen and I was a liar for ever saying there was such a thing as union thug. I proved you wrong. Just admit it. You keep talking about good things the unions did 75 years ago and now say what happened in 1998 to too old to matter.

      • YOU are so full of SH*&&T!! I said, that’s YOUR friggin mindset!! That the past doesn’t matter!! NOT MINE! You left out all that I said about , ONE, union nut case!!
        I have proved YOU wrong time and time again about your ideas on the corporate world, but, it just goes in one hole in your head and out of the other!!
        I also said, DURING O’bama’s time , not then, and YOU said DEATHS at the hands of union people!! YOU , proved just ONE!!
        How many deaths does it take for you to admit that corporate greed and non-union saftey rules have caused!! HOW MANY, why don’t YOU admit it ??
        KMA ! Punk, you aren’t worth the piss in a bucket of slop!! Have a nice day! ( working for w=mart)!

      • shame you can’t take it when you’re wrong and full of lies that YOU don’t even really believe in yourself!! Take another pill and be happy!! YOU need them , since you have to stay awake 24/7 , lying for Wal=fart!!

      • Can’t stand it when I prove you wrong. The one union nut case you mentioned is a big friend of Nobama and head of the largest union in the country, On TV all the time You defending him.

      • I;m not defending anyone!! Leave that up to YOU!! I’d much rather defend him than the mass murderers that you defend!!
        Maybe if you stay a W-mart long enough, they’ll let you be the “welcome to Walmart”, person, and they can take out a life insurance policy on YOU , with the beneficiary as W-mart!! How’d ya like that , you stupid bitch??

      • You said I was wrong about it and lied about it. I proved you wrong and you can’t handle it. Did you read the part about him pleading the 5th amendment in a criminal trial? Now he hobnobs with the Obama’s. Should be in jail., You defend him and call others liars when they tell the truth about union thugs. You have blind loyalty to Obama.

      • YOU know ass, I never hesrd of this crap you’re talking about!! At least I have loyalty to the working class people of this country!! That is better than having NO loyalty to anything but yourself , as you do!!
        Did you ever look up what I was talking about with Patriot Coal?? Heel no, you just dismissed it, just like I’m dismissing your crap filled mouth of junk!!
        YOU are talking about one person , I can’t help what he did, can YOU?? I;m speaking about thousands and thousands of people!!
        YOU are a corporate THUG!! There is nothing more vial or disgusting than a cigar puffing pig!!

      • He is the leading union thug in the country and is the Obama’s friend. They killed people and took the 5th amendment and got away with it. He represents you views. He represents unionism and pays for this website right here.

      • Make your mind up, prick, you said he killed one man, now , it is people which is plural!! YOU are head blown !! I will look this event up and get the real facts for myself, counting on you to give the real anything is very, NOT GOOD!!

      • Hey, I think he kinda got what he had coming!! Don’t YOU!! YOU ask him , if you can find his dead ass!! Does that make you think all union people are like him? Sorry to bust your bubble, but, it ain’t so!!

      • What the hell ever!! Your day is coming punk kid!! But, you’re to young (i guess) and stupid to even know your own ignorance!!

      • Nope, I think I’ll wait and go with YOU to the back-stabbers, butt-sucking, tail-wagging puppy dog convention , so, I can laugh my ass off at the hypocrites !!

      • Well, the meeting is over with the president and the thugs, They did not get their double dipping and will have to suffer through ObamaCare just like the regular people. They wanted it for everybody else, but not for themselves. Too Bad, they got it now,

      • What the hell are you spewing about now ? The meeting hasn’t exactly happened YET!! YOUR, if I can’t have MY way , I’m gonna take my ball and GO home, bunch of cry babies, hasn’t even sent their NO IDEA PLAN to the Senate yet!!
        They’re still wasting time and taxpayer money whining and in-fighting to ever do a damned thing that might help the “REGULAR” people !! JUST, to defeat O’bama, NO MATTER who it hurts!!
        You and that other freaking nut case, have NO REAL arguments, just, union hatred and greed loving crap!!
        NO need to keep this thread going, it is ridiculous!! Have a great life sucking off the work and suffering the OLD people did for you to have such a nice life as you have TODAY!!

      • The meeting has already taken place and was all over the news. You probably can’t pick it up with your rabbit ears. Trumpka came out on the White House steps and said they were still talking and made no progress. The next day the White House said there was no way the unions could double dip and it was a done deal. You wanted it, you got it. Try to keep up. Regular people are going to get the subsidies, not the “special” union people.

      • Are we talking about the same thing?? I was talking about the Affordable Care Act, what are YOU talking about?? Besides, the “special” union people don’t need anything except for corporate America to stop taking back on bargained for items and trying to do away with unions all together!! YOU know that’s what they want, so , stop being so stupid aboutit!
        I have never said that I was against anyone doing good , or starting a business and doing good, that’s great!! I just don’t get why YOU think that everybody can have that nice little life and why YOU think so badly of REGULAR people getting something even close to FAIR , LIVABLE PAY, instead of under poverty level pay!!
        It is nuts to think that way!! It is also very selfish and greedy , and , heartless!! YOU cannot tell me any different !!
        If you’re talking about the w-mart crap in D.C., then, no, I haven;t heard a word about it lately , not with that shooting and YOUR boys trying to cut off the whole country just to beat O’bama!!
        And, guess what, I have work to do around the house, if YOU know what that means!! I’ve been busy , not sitting on my ass in front of a computer ALL DAMNRD DAY LONG!!
        Please forgive me, super-man!!

      • I was talking about Trumpka and the other union chiefs going to the White House trying to get special subsidies for the unions for ObamaCare. I have done more today and made more than you have all week. I don’t sit in front of a computer. I have a smart phone (Android). I use it many, many times a day in my business. I have worked hard all my life and taken risk which you never did. That shooter was a very liberal person and a big Obama supporter by the way. Didn’t heat that on the news. If he had been a conservative, it would have been wall to wall on the TV. Good luck cleaning up your trailer.

      • O!K! dumb-ass, my trailer sits on 5 acres and is over 2500 sq. ft., how about your doublr-wide , asshole!! You have no damned clue what work is , smart phone baby!! I’ll work your ass in the ground any day you’d like and I’m probably 3 times older than you!! You can’t lie to good, punk!!
        Talk about a bigot, the shooter was a “liberal”!! YOU’re the punk ass bigot, rascist, jerk!! YOU didn’t heat (hear) that on the news either, because it wasn’t on the news, you’re a spoiled rotten little liar!! Worked all your life , my ass, what’s that 12 years now!! You and your isiot friend are simply little spoon fed babies!! If YOU really ever had to WORK you wouldn’t be trying to put sown those that DO REALLY WORK!!
        The shooter was just damned mentally ill, sicko, and, I’m kinda leaning towards thinking you are too!!
        Like I said and haven’t followed thru, NO MORE COMMENTS TO the IDIOT MRNTAL baby ward!!

      • I don’t miss anything that goes on in life!! It is fools like YOU that I wish I could miss and not have to actually believe really exist!! BUT, you are here!! TOO BAD for the country!!
        YOU can’t comprehend anything you read , can YOU!! I don’t live in any kind of a mobile home, but, thanks to jerks like you, that want to keep crap pay like the minimum wage OR less, that is only what most people can afford, if that!! I don’t condemn people that live in mobile homes , single or double wide!! If that is the best they can do for now, then , I’m glad they have their own place!!
        There are millions of young people that support O’bama, whatever color!! UNLIKE , pompous , punks like YOU!! BUT, YES, I do know blacks that don’t like everything he does, young and older!!
        NO, I didn’t notice is damned car, but, you’re right, I do like the idea of CLEAN AIR, I guess YOU don’t, just fits your type of fool!!!
        BUT, it is quite obvious who the rascist , bigot is , NOW!! And, it is NOT ME!!
        KEEP running your idiot mouth so we can all see the REAL YOU, the TEA PARTY BIGOT!!
        KMA , by the way!! YOU uppity scum bag!!

      • You said the shooter wasn’t an Obama support and obviously miss most of the news in life. 2% of workers receive only the min wage. I didn’t condemn your trailer. I am sure it is nice. The air now is cleaner than it has been in 40 years. I see you did not take my suggestion to increase your meds and it looks like you have stopped them all together. Are the drugs stores open in WV on the weekends?

      • Whatever ,idiot!! YOU can’t comprehend OR REMEMBER a damned thing, so, your comments just show your total ignorance!!
        2% , my ass, hell, that many or more work a wallyworld!!
        Hard to condemn something I DON”T HAVE or LIVE IN , you fool!!
        I’m not the one that needs meds, apparently ,it is YOU that need them!!
        TRY to learn to read and comprehend sometime!! YOU don’t do it very well yet!!

      • P.S. I never said what party the shooter was and I don’t give a crap!! He was nuts and had been nuts most of his life!! Kinda makes me think of YOU!!

      • See I knew you weren’t taking your meds. The capital letters and the cursing is a dead giveaway. Hopefully your 90 year old Mother won’t see this. She would be ashamed she raises such a son.

      • My mom is 87 and she has a lot more sense than you will ever have!! YOUR Mom should be ashamed of having such a pompous little prick that isn’t out of his diapers yet!!
        The son my Mom raised is a hell of a lot more of a man than the son your’s raised and you prove that more and more with each comment!!
        Like I said, go to the doctor and get your meds to fix your narcissism problem!!

      • You told me she was 90. Do you have 2 or were you lying again. She is still over the quality life years left and will be rationed out if she needs medical care. She can come and live in your 2500 sq ft trailer.

      • you’re a stupid SOB!! I never told you anything like 90!! You’re damn right , she can come and live with ME anytime, anywhere, unlike , yours ,with you!! YOU snot nosed little punk!!
        LOOK, if you can’t read, remember or comprehend, then , STFU!! YOU’re a lying little baby!! YOUR Mom should be well pleased with your stupid crap!! Unless, you were hatched!!
        YOU are a real dumb jerk , it is kinda sad!!
        Her quality of life has been extremely better than yours, as you prove daily with your stupid comments, and she’ll probably out live us both!
        I think it’d be a reall good idea if you leave my Mom out of this unless you really want to hear some nice stuff!! YOU low life punk, walmart employee!!

      • floridanatevee: YOU ARE ONE SCREWED UP ASS HOLE. I AM THE ONE THAT TOLD YOU MY MOTHER IS 90. NOT MIMCNEELY.
        YOUR MOTHER SHOULD HAVE DONE THE WORLD A FAVOR AND HAD AN ABORTION AND YOU SHOULD GET A VASECTOMY
        THE WORLD DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE LIKE YOU FOR SURE.
        IIT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU LIVE IN A MANSION OR IN A TRAILER, WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS HOW YOU LIVE YOU LIFE.

      • Sorry, I got you union thug fools mixes up, You both think alike and use such foul language, it is hard to make much of a difference between you. I think maybe you might both be the same person anyway. I think you both must get the daily union email to tell you what to think. Using words that you don’t understand and can’t give examples of is a dead giveaway. I only return answers to you anyway, Never start a conversation anyway. Do you have a nice trailer like the other fool?

      • floridanativee:
        mimcneely and I are cut from the same cloth and I admire him and what he has accomplished in one of the most distressed arias of this country. as for the language goes it is a way of venting and presidents use it CEO’s vent in the same way we are all adults here and should not be censored. If you have a problem with that tough shit. Yes I too live in a trailer on two acres with a 30×40 shop I get my water from a well I have a new Chrysler 200. My house has a privet road, in Texas a privet road means dirt road. I live a stress free life and it is all paid for. I paid cash for all of it I have no credit cards and have not borrowed money for anything for over 20 years. I doubt that I have a credit score. I have never been arrested and I have never smoked weed nor used illegal drugs I am also a veteran US AIR FORCE June 1964 – June 1968. Am I bragging? Not at all, just proud.
        mimcneely could say the same about himself. We have no reason to be asshamed of who or what we are. That includes being union members. I did not reply to you in hopes of opening the door for more of your twisting and adding more to my words than I said.

      • floridacreap:
        SPECIAL? Hell no. your ignorance is showing and it ain’t pretty.
        When you call people like mimcneely and I “THUG” it shows you no nothing about union members and the contribution unions have made to the workers of this country. In your world police, firemen, doctors and nurses are thugs they have organized and are members. Call them a union thug to their face. You don’t have the balls. kiss off! you are nothing more than a pimple on the ass of society. That will fester until it destroys the host. the world would be better off without you.

      • You do think you are special and that union members are special. You think you are better than anybody else because 60 years ago, they did something.Unions now now are all about politics and corruption. Very little thought is given to the worker. You think the thugs who got those 80 Wal-Mart workers fired by telling them they had a protected right to take off scheduled shifts and travel to Arkansas to protest. What makes them special is that they have their cushy union organizing jobs and the employees they lied to are unemployed without unemployment. You are special because you never think things through. You don’t know how to, you just follow the union dogma. You are special because you are part of a dying breed; down to 6% of the private sector work force. Not a factor anymore and to special to realize it. You and your buddy are equally special. Neither one of you would last long in the private sector. The union has made you both below average, no matter where you started. By the way those municipal unions will never be getting those early retirements because they are making the cities go bankrupt. Don’t believe me, ask a Detroit retiree. They are toast.

      • We are NOT below average, you nut case!! BUT, YOU THINK you are above average, why is that??? Could it be your punk, inexperienced corporate minded THUG-ness coming out??
        BillyLutz, vietvet and myself could really teach you some things, BUT, you’re to smart and too stupid at the same time to learn!! YOU”D just rather listen to your repig brainwashing and be ignorant all of your life!!
        AND, thre REAL THUGS are Walmart, repig party and fools like YOU!! Someday, your pompous ass will have a hard time and one of your heroes is going to shit on you!! I hope you remember the things we’ve tried to tell you then!!
        But, since we’re retired and doing very well, thank you, I really don’t give a damn what you do!! Just keep whining and crying for your boss at Walmart!!

      • If you didn’t start out below average, the union made you below average. Retired and living in a trailer, the American Dream. With every post, you prove you are just a thug.

      • YOU are the one doing the proving, idiot!! Every word you spew just proves more and more just how brain-washed and pompous you are !! Seems that people who are always calling others “below average”, have a problem with themselves!! Which, it is very obvious that YOU have many internal problems!!
        YOU just wish you were as well off as myself, BillyLutz and vietvet!! Heel, you got many many years to go to catch up, especially if you’re gonna work till you’re 70 or 75!!

      • NO SHIT! Just as you have NO CLUE about me either!! Just give your ignorance a break and kiss off , or, better yet, go tear down someone’s home!! PRICK!! Since , it seems to give you such a rush!!

      • I know you live in a big trailer in West Virginia and get all your information from the union. One of your Mothers is 87 and she has her own trailer, but yours is big enough for her to move in some day. Do you have a wind mill and solar panel for your electricity since you hate coal so much.

      • DAMN, you’re stupid!! You don’t even remember who the hell you’re talkimg to!! At least I have a mother and I know who she is , unlike YOU,you little prick!!
        I will tell you one thing , if I had a windmill and solar panels I’d be paying a hell of a lot less for power than YOU are!! BUT, sadly, I don’t have those SMART power equipment installed YET!!
        What , exactly is YOUR point here?? You are proving yourself to be a full fledged idiot, for sure, but, other than that , just what the hell are you trying to do on here??

      • You say you are against coal and hate it, but don’t have any alternative energy yourself. You want the government to subsidize it, but are not willing to invest in it yourself. That is being a hypocrite, I support the things I believe in. You just blather about them.

      • I have solar at my cabin in the mountains!! I plan to put in solar here at MY HOUSE, after our roof is rreplaced!! YOU don’t know what you believe in except , whatever is opposite of Dems!! Which is real progressive!! You haven’t really said a damned thing that is progressie yet!!
        I have electric and nat.gas now!! I don’t burn wood , as I’m sure you think!! I di NOT live in friggin W.Va., you’re too obsessed with your idiocrocies to even remember what people say to you

      • The only reason to put solar in a cabin is if it is too expensive to run electric to it. The only thing that makes it affordable is the subsidies (the dole) you friends and neighbors pay. Solar panels are not ready for housing. SO you cabin is just a single wide?

      • That is really just about the most stupid comment you have made to this date!! My cabin is on 15 acres and the people in the association, all have power to their homes!! I don’t stay there much , but, I have solar !!
        BOY, the more you talk the dumber you get!!

      • Solar panels do not generate enough electricity to pay off the interest on the capital required to purchase them unless there are huge governmental subsidies. Your are screwing your friends and neighbors by taking these subsidies. That puts you on the dole.

      • I don’t know if you are a liar or just stupid.

        Smith Mountain is a pumped storage project that utilizes an upper reservoir (Smith Mountain Lake) and a lower reservoir (Leesville Lake.) The water that is stored in Smith Mountain Lake first passes through turbine-generators in the powerhouse to produce electricity — primarily during peak usage hours — and the water is then discharged into Leesville Lake. Most of this water is retained in the Leesville Lake and is pumped back into the Smith Mountain Lake for re-use. This pumping occurs during periods of low demand.

      • Yeah!! That is right, so, what is your stupid ass point!! And, the water in Leesville Lake is warmer too, what else do you think you know!!And, WTF is your point??

      • The point is you lied and said you got your electricity from hydro electric and not coal. Do you get it that they PUMP the water back into Smith Mountain Lake? Where do they get that electricity from dumbo, coal. And they use it exclusively much of the year and off peak the rest. Either you lied or where stupid. I am thinking stupid.

      • AHH! Dumb-ass, they generate POWER with water, that is where they get the power to pump the damned water back up to the BIG lake from the LITTLE lake, damn stupid GOP freAKING IDIOT!!

      • Idiot. You are saying they run the water down into the little lake, make power with it, run electricity for the whole area, then pump the water back up to the big lake with the same electricity. How dumb can you be?

      • That comment is SO DAMNED ignorant , it isn’t worth a reply!! HOW DUMB CAN YOU BE?? Pretty damned dumb, so, keep it coming , you are hilarious!!

      • I am saying YOU don’t have a clue as to what the hell you’re talking about!! WHY the hell did they build a damn that has 700 feet of water behind , and still have to use coal to get power!! EXPLAIN , DUMBO!!!

      • I know they can use it once, but you said they pumped the water from the little lake back into the big lake using the same electricity that they used for powering the area. You said they used the same electricity twice which can not be done, dumbo. You are saying that the dam generates all power for the area and no coal is used. You are wrong again. Just admit it.

      • YOU can kiss my thug ass, PUNK!! YOU”RE a thug/goon for Walmart!! Hope they are paying you good to be on here making a total fool out of yourself!!
        I am glad your phone is smart, it sure has a lot on you!!

      • once more, your comments don’t make any sense!! Youd be fried like a burned chicken if you had of had my job!! What ever it is that you do, doesn’t take any education, considering your ignorant comments!!

      • ” you exposes”, what the hell!! NO stupid, we had saftey rules to follow, and, I wore my hardhat all the time!! Didn’t do my arms or neck much good, but, my head was covered!!
        Son, as far as I can tell by your comments , you don’t use your head for anything but a place to stick a cell phone!! Much less , productively!!
        Bit, you really do need to get another job than working as a Walmart skunk, because, you are NOT very good at it!!
        Anyway, this B.S. with an idiot like you has gone on long enough!! It’s like trying to tie a ribbon around a fart, and the fart is your brain!!
        Have a lovely life in GOP brainwashed greedy world!!

      • I know it got very hot under that hard hat. I think it must have fried your brain. If you were working with your brain, you could have advanced in life. You would be able to think for yourself and not have to be dependent on the unions for what you think. I’ll bet you are even for that green car crook and liar in the election. That guy lies like a rug. I has conned millions from people. The unions like him so that means he is your guy. Unbelievable.

      • YOU are a dumb SOB!! How many trailers do you know of with 2500 sq.ft.??? You are an idiot from hell!! My Mom has insurance thru her company, that she and my Dad worked for for a long time!!
        And, her, SS and Medicare!!
        BUT, she is very , very welcome to come live with us anytime she likes!! She’s still out-doing your punk ass!!

      • HEY!! That’s why I asked you!! YOU seem to be so knowledgable about mobile homes/trailers!!
        Since, you and your queen of the double-wide are so well off!!

      • OH, so that’s your job!! A demolition expert, GEE! How much education did that take ? Man. you’re a real big shot, ain’t ya!! YOU talk a lot of crap, but, you’re nothing, just like I’ve suspected all along!! Just a repig , Wallyworld plant on here!! GOOF Ball!!

      • NO more wierd than your comments !! YOU, don’t even have a job, other than a plant for Walmart, and, you’re NOT good at that either!!

      • As I said before, I don’t work for Wal-Mart, but do shop there sometimes, like 250 million other Americans,

      • And, YOU are a friggin LIAR!! What YOU say has absolutely NO substance, much less, anything that warrents someone to believe a damned word you say, Walmart BOY!!

      • You need to sober up first . The only thing you’ve proven so far is how feeble your so called arguments are. You’ve already been proven wrong by Mimcneely and Lutz numerous times, you are embarrassing yourself.

      • You’ve already proven your self wrong in every one of your childlike posts, you need’nt embarrass yourself any more. Come back again when you are sober.

      • Looks like the little wildcat strike was a real bust today. I sure hope not too many actual employees fell for it and lose their jobs.

      • If they do loose their jobs it will be in violation of the law. They have a right to do that. you keep ignoring this fact and are in complete denial of that fact. This is not communist China workers here do have rights and this is one of them like it or not. you will just have to suck it up and deal with it.

      • You have no right to disobey an order from your supervisor to show up for a scheduled shift. This is a fact. You can meet with anybody you wish during your off hours, but when you take off unauthorized and go to Arkansas to complain while you are supposed to be working, you will be fired. A union boss may tell you it is your right and you might believe it, but you both are wrong. The difference is the union boss still has his job and you don’t because you believed him. His lie, your loss of job. In most states, when fired for cause, you can not get unemployment for an extended period of time. SOL as we say. According to news reports around 80 people did this on the much ballyhooed black friday when thousands were claimed. Most of the people were paid union thugs. They did get some to leave work and they are now unemployed.

      • floridanativee:
        “You have no right to disobey an order from your supervisor to show up for a scheduled shift. This is a fact.” That is a fact unless you want to get fired. But only if you are acting as an individual!!!!
        We are still talking about nonunion workers right or at lest I am. unless you have change the subject in mid steam which is listed in the republican hand book that says if cornered and have no answer to a question. Dazzle’em with double talk and B.S. then change the subject.
        if it is a group of employees that have a bitch about certain things they can walk out and strike and be protected by section 7 of the national labor relation act. this is a fact.

        floridanativee:
        ” A union boss may tell you it is your right and you might believe it, but you both are wrong.”

        If the employees knew their rights they would not need a union person to tell them. They also have a right to discuse unions at work and on the clock. as a business owner you should learn these laws men you could find yourself in deep doo doo.

        floridanativee:
        “The difference is the union boss still has his job and you don’t because you believed him. His lie, your loss of job.”

        Not if it conforms to the NLRA. and if you fire the workers you will be brought up on charges.

        floridanativee:
        “In most states, when fired for cause, you can not get unemployment for an extended period of time. SOL as we say.”
        This is true but if you think firing some one for exercising a workers right then you would be in trouble.You had better look this stuff up.

        floridanativee:
        ” According to news reports around 80 people did this on the much
        ballyhooed black friday when thousands were claimed. Most of the people
        were paid union thugs. They did get some to leave work and they are now
        unemployed.”

        Do you really think I’m going to believe this crap.

      • If your supervisor tells you to show up for your work and you take off unauthorized to go Arkansas to strike, you are going to get fired. If a group of employees walk out in the parking lot during regular working hours on a wildcat strike, they are going to be fired. This is factual and you can prove it to yourself by doing so. Employees that work hard and work smart move up quickly. Employees that whine and complain stay on the bottom of the ladder, Looks like you have chosen to be a whiner and will never be successful. You will always be jealous of those who have chosen the other path. Feel sorry for you.

      • HA! I’m 71 I have had a great stress free life and and still do. No money worry’s every thing I have is paid for I buy nothing on credit. Paid cash for my house and my new Chrysler. I by American products and never shop at walmart. I still pay my union dues and will be a life member. I know what the union has done for me, my family and no piss ant like you is going to change me. Your pity is not warranted I don’t need it and I sure as hell don’t want it. When I was at work I worked and it wasn’t setting on my ass punching keys playing on a computer.

      • The one I own says made in the U.S.A. Chrysler Group LLC is still a separate company based in Auburn Hills,
        Mich., not a subsidiary of Italy-based Fiat, and it is still considered a
        domestic manufacturer — for now. So you see that as of now it is still considered American
        and 42% share held by a United Autoworkers Union health care trust.

      • It is an Italian company. The American company went bankrupt and was bailed out by the US taxpayer. That 42% was a gift of the American people. More than half of the cars made in the USA are made by non UAW workers (and growing quickly), FIAT stand for Fix It Again Tony.

      • floridanativee:
        Can’t you read? ” the U.S.A. Chrysler Group LLC is still a separate company based in Auburn Hills,
        Mich., not a subsidiary of Italy-based Fiat”
        That 42% was no tax payer gift it came from the union health and welfare fund the UAW members own it. A % of GM is owned by the American tax payers and are making money from it as long a stocks go up. We are talking about Chrysler not other car makers. you damn republicans CHANGE THE TOPIC thinking it will help your argument but that doesn’t work with me.

        floridanativee:
        ” More than half of the cars made in the USA are made by non UAW workers (and growing quickly),”
        WOW THAT MEANS THE OTHER 50% ARE MADE BY THE UAW,COOL MAN.I know that with the help of the UAW Lee Iaccoca Pulled Chrysler out of the read but who is this Tony guy and once again the UAW gave back and signed the worst labor contract in the history of unions.

      • Nope, Italian The taxpayers will never recoup what they lost from GM, they have already sold bad much of the stock at at $25 BILLION loss. GM is doing OK now, but just had a $95 BILLION infusion of cash, They are doing the same things that brought them to their knees before (inefficient work rules, feather bedding and early retirements), They will go under again. Wasted $2.5 .BILLION on the low selling Volt. The UAW used to have 100% of the cars made in the US dumbo. They are down to less than 50% You seem to think that is a good thing. UAW isn’t capable of competing with the free market.

      • Why do you you ignore or contradict what I have said:
        the U.S.A. Chrysler Group LLC is still a separate company based in Auburn Hills, Mich., not a subsidiary of Italy-based Fiat”
        This is true now But it will change but for now Chrysler is not considered to be part of Fiat.
        Gm is back on top making more cars than any other car company and they did this in just two years after the bailout. GM sold 640,000 more cars and trucks last year than it did the year before.
        To date,( September 6, 2012) GM received $49.5 billion from taxpayers, and has returned about $24 billion of that,
        source: http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/06/autos/auto-bailout/index.html
        YOUR 95 BILLION INFUSION OF CASH IS A LITTLE INFLATED. Would you like to explain that?
        The bailout therefore saved 1.5 million U.S. jobs by keeping GM, Chrysler and the companies that depended on them in business.(suppliers)
        That would have likely caused bankruptcies at the healthier automakers such Ford Motor, who would not have been able to get the parts they needed to build cars. That is why Ford went to Capital Hill in late 2008 pushing for the rescue of its rivals.
        Every site I look at says the bailout was $85 billion not $95.
        and GM didn’t get the infusion you have claimed.

        floridanativee:

        “They are doing the same things that brought them to their knees before
        (inefficient work rules, feather bedding and early retirements),”

        They are doing nothing the same you dick head. The unions got the shaft. The CEO that run GM was replace. He made bad decisions and kept making cars no one wanted. Obama appointed Fredrick Henderson as the new CEO. Things started getting better instantly. You and all the other union haters blame the unions. Think about this what is the big deference between GM and Ford? ………….Do you give up? Well both Had the same union and wokers. That had about the same union agreements.
        MANAGEMENT, the decision makers. So you predict that GM will go under again. What a full just two years after the bankruptcy and they are producing more cars then all the others.
        At their Arlington, Texas plant they are going to add a third shift.
        The low selling Volt and a wast of money. Lets look at that.
        GM sold 23,461 Volts in 2012 compared with just 7,671 in 2011.
        They tripled in that one year. Corvettes 14,000 were sold last year. Nissan sold about 9,800 Leafs in 2012, an increase of just 1.5% over 2011.
        It out sold the Nissan Leaf. Nissan sold about 9,800 Leafs in 2012, an increase of just 1.5% over

        It won the Motor Trend car of the year, the North American car of the
        year and Automobile magazine’s automobile of the year. For the first
        time in history, an american car won the European car of the year. It
        won Green Car Journals green car vision award. It won Autoweeks
        driver’s choice best of the year award. It won consumer reports owner
        satisfaction beating out the Porcshe. It was named one of the
        collectible cars of the future. It was the car of the year in Denmark.
        It was Car & Drivers ten best. It won the Edison award. It won
        the best green vehicle award at the Chicago auto show. It was
        Motorweeks best eco friendly car. It was Green Car Journals green car
        of the year. It was the New York Auto Show’s world green car. It was
        the Society of Automotive Engineer’s best engineered vehicle. It won
        the Wards Autoworld ten best engines award, Popular Mechanics
        breakthrough technology award and their top ten vehicles award for
        technology. It was the Edmonds green car breakthrough award. It was
        the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety’s top safety pick. It was
        the National Highway Traffic Safety Administrations 5 star overall score
        for safety. It was Kelly Blue Books best resale value for an
        electrified vehicle award. It was the EPA’s most fuel efficient gas
        powered vehicle. It won JD Power’s appeal study award. It won the
        International Engine of the year award. Finally, it won MrEnergCza’r
        five star Peak Oil Preparation Award.
        WHAT A FAILURE. A wast of money the government subsidized a lot on this cars research and development. but they do that for pharmaceutical companys oil companies Do the pharmaceutical companies find a cure on their first try? Do the oil companies strike oil on their first try? did our first atempt at rocketry make it to outer space? all of these things were ether subsidized or paid in full by tax payers. all of these things have started out as failures. most thing do when your working on ground breaking technology. Republicans always bad mouth and do smear campaigns on new energy ideas. Why because they are tied in with oil companies. Now is the time to do this research. and the first country to perfect it wins all the marbles. I don’t think much of your comments.

        floridanativee:
        ” The UAW used to have 100% of the cars made in the US dumbo. They are
        down to less than 50% You seem to think that is a good thing”

        What give you that Idea? Just because you like it doesn’t mean I have to.
        The UAW crew out produced all the others and put GM back on top. Suck on That for awhile.
        You look at things out side your little mind and realize That it is not just the UWA that can’t compete in this corporate/republican manufactured hell hole that use to be the best country in the world to work in live in and raise a family in. No American worker can compete. to compete we would have to work for less than the lowest paid works and we can not survive on less than a dollar a day. Could you?

      • Been busy. You left out the future payments to retirees and their dependents. When GM went bankrupt, they had 4 1/2 dependents for each employee actually working. The thing that lead them to bankruptcy was early retirements, featherbedding and inefficiencies. They continue to do the same thing and will go under again. Just a matter of time. 2/3s of their cars are made overseas.,GM does not overproduce the transplants. The man hours per vehicle are much higher and the gap is growing. Keeping inefficient job going is always a bad idea., The free market sorts all that out. The strong survive and the weak go under. The government gave them $95 BILLION to bail them out, but they didn’t change. The inefficient ways will cause it again. The Volt is a dog and there is over $250,000 developed cost each. They can’t sell the, to individuals. Over half have gone to municipalities. They have half price leases that they can not get rid of . 10,000 units is a dog, not a savior as they said.One year they beat Toyota, but that was because of the earthquake problems in Japan. Peak Oil is a joke. We have over a century’s worth now due to fracking. transplants companies are competing in the world market. The employees are very satisfied and even though the UAW has spent millions of dollars trying to unionize them, they have had no success. Employees love working for them and reject the unions. The auto bailout was the biggest in American history. The oil companies get no subsidies. Spend your time being productive.

      • floridora:
        What does the obligation of retirement have to do with the bailout funds? GM got set amount and that is it.
        The unions were not the major reason why GM and Chrysler got into the
        position they got into…. First, labor only accounts for only about 7
        percent of the cost of a car. So, if you cut that to 6 percent, you’re
        going to make a bit more money, but this is not the biggest expense that
        an automaker has. The second thing I would point out to you is that
        Ford was playing with exactly the same deck of cards. They had
        effectively the same UAW contract. They had effectively the same
        manufacturing footprint, up in the upper Midwest area…. And yet while
        Ford certainly struggled for a while, they got through this and have
        been making good money for some time now. So, what’s the difference
        between Ford and GM? I would argue the difference between Ford and GM is
        management.
        source:http://rethinkecon.org/2010/09/22/interesting-perspective-on-gm-bailout-from-the-man-who-ran-it/

        I couldn’t believe I found this after my reply to you and it says almost the same thing I did.

        floridahod:
        “GM is doing OK now, but just had a $95 BILLION infusion of cash,”
        It was $85 billion and in the above sentence you said GM got the whole thing as their bailout now you say : “The government gave THEM $95 BILLION to bail THEM out, AND IT WAS $85 billion not 95.
        True there was some outrageous things in the contracts. But don’t forget that unions have to get the best deal they can for the members that is their job and all of this outrageous crap was agreed to by management. So who do you blame. Management should never have signed the contract.
        Show me they are doing the same thing!!!!!

        flora:
        “The Volt is a dog”

        explain all the awards.

        Why would GM want to get ride of half price leases 1/2 is better than none. Serra Chevrolet in Southfield, Mich., sells a phenomenal 25 volts per month. do you think if the bad mouth of you and the rest of the republicans my have a negative impact on the sale of these hybrids? I do. I also believe that it is an attempt to make it fail.
        If oil companies get no subsidies and don’t pay for oil exploration themselves who pays for it?

      • When GM went under and the New GM was formed, they started out with zero debt and a huge 20 year tax break. The US government took over the pension and healthcare obligations of the retirees and spouses. You are talking direct labor. The early retirements added about $2,300 per vehicle. The featherbedding and inefficient work rules added more. This is why the transplants are doing so much better.,The exact amount of the bailout is unknowable as much of it is pension costs that we don;t know yet,. The other fool said $45 Billion, you said $85 Billion, I have read repeatedly that the estimate is $95 Billion. It a huge amount, You have situations where retirees in their early 50′s are retired and getting healthcare and regular citizens that are 70 and can not retire because of the high taxes. You think that is fair? The Volt is a dog and got the awards because of the greenies. The regular Americans are not buying them. The similar model that has a gas engine sold 235,000 units last year. GM did the half price leases leading up to the election last year to try and cut down on the embarrassment of the bad decision to spend $2.3 Billion on a car selling only a few cars compared to their others. Oil companies get no subsidies. Their exploration is paid for by themselves out of their modest profits (around 7% which is less than the Fortune 500 Goggle and Apple are both over 25% why not complain about them). The government does everything it can to keep them from drilling. Oil production on federal lands is down over 35% since Obama. For example Shell Oil has spent $4.5 Billion exploring off the NW Alaskan coast and EPA keeps fining them over nothing and keeps holding them up. The oil companies pay a very high tax rate and only get similar deductions as other companies.l This is of course all different than your liberal blogs.

      • floradanative:
        “The other fool said $45 Billion, you said $85 Billion, I have read repeatedly that the estimate is $95 Billion.”
        WELL SLICK THE REAL FOOL SAID $95 billion and and that is you.

        Sep 17, 2012 … Last month, the Obama administration increased the estimated loss on the $85
        billion auto industry bailout, which also included aid to …

        Dec 30, 2012 … The Treasury Department dramatically boosted its estimate of losses from its $85
        billion auto industry bailout by more than $9 billion in the face …

        3. Aug 14, 2012 … According to the Detroit News, the Treasury Department now estimates that the
        4. government will lose $25.1 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout …
        5. Prison Planet.com » Treasury: U.S. to lose $25 billion on auto bailout
        6. http://www.prisonplanet.com/treasury-u-s-to-lose-25-billion-on-auto-bailout.html – Cached
        7. Aug 14, 2012 … The Treasury Department says in a new report the government expects to lose
        8. more than $25 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout. That’s 15 …

        Aug 13, 2012 … The Treasury Department says in a new report the government expects to lose
        more than $25 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout. That’s 15 …

        Jul 30, 2010 … Washington funneled $85 billion to the car companies to prop them up … jobs
        would have been lost had President Obama denied the bailout.

        bailout a centerpiece of his … The
        administration handed $85 billion to GM and Chrysler and …
        ut to $25

        Aug 16, 2012 … The Treasury Department says in a new report the government expects to lose
        more than $25 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout. That’s 15 …

        Nov 18, 2011 … For taxpayers to break even on the GM portion of the bailout — about $50 billion
        of the $85 billion — General Motors stock needed to be sold at …

        Aug 13, 2012 … The Treasury Department says in a new report the government expects to lose
        more than $25 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout. That’s 15 …

        Sep 5, 2012 … Wednesday is Great American Auto Bailout Day at the Democratic … expects to
        lose more than $25 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout.

        Aug 13, 2012 … The Treasury Department expects to lose about $25 of the $85 billion used to
        bailout the auto industry, which is 15 percent higher than …

        IF YOU LOOK ALL OF THESE SAY THE BAIL OUT WAS $85 BILLION.
        WHAT A FOOL.

      • That is just on the stock already sold at a loss. The billions to be spent on the retirees is unknown at this point. Sit down and think it through. Actually they did go bankrupt and many people lost their savings. The New GM is the company now, fool.

      • Yeah! Kinda like ENRON and asses like Bernie Madoff, that MADE OFF with honest people’;s hard earned money!!
        You’re going right back to the real point!! Corrupt, greedy, unconscioius MANAGEMENT!!
        Do you remember when the SMART BOYS at the TOP at the Ford company decided to STOP production of the TAURUS??? And who was it that told them that the Taurus was there best seller and that they shouldn’t stop it???
        It was the thug union workers , and two years later the big boys started up production of the Taurus again!!
        And also , the big boys and their outsoursing, and the economy going to hell in a handbasket because of the friggin Bush administration could’nt have had a thing to do with the sells going to hell , either, could it now!!
        SON, YOU are the FOOL!!
        And , so what about the pension plans of retirees!! ARE YOU saying they shouldn’t get their retirement pension, when, the corporate big dudes, are giving themselves millions on top of millions in BONUS checks, even when their own companies are failing ??
        I think it is YOU that needs to sit down and THINK IT THROUGH!! If you can think on your own!!!

      • What about all those retirees who lost their money when the UAW drove GM into the ground and Obama gave them cents on the dollar. The economy is still bad because Bush? Give me a break. Bush had a 8 year unemployment average of 5.3% and Obama’s is 9.3%. It is all Bush’s fault.

      • floridaawcdf
        You think the UAW drove GM into the ground? How could that be, when GM had to sign a contract after negotiating the terms in that contract. THEY AGREED TO THE TERMS AND WILLINGLY SIGNED IT. When a group of well financed haters promise the American people to make the leader of the country FAIL AND THEN UNDERMINE EVERY EFFORT THAT LEADER WANTED TO DO TO TURN THE COUNTRY AROUND. They blocked, voted against, lied about, filibustered and doing everything they could even if it were bad for the county but did it anyway. You can not make the leader of a country fail without doing bad things to the country, that is treason in any ones book. If done at sea by the crew would have been mutiny and punished by hanging. How can you claim Obamas unemployment average 9.3% when His term is not over yet? DID BUSH HAVE A CONGRESS THAT PROMISED TO MAKE HIM FAIL? If you are a republican and think Obama has failed look in the mirror and see what caused it. CONSIDER IT AS A PROMISE THAT WAS KEPT.

      • No dumbo, I am, sure the UAW drove GM into the ground. It was restrictive work rules, unsubstantial benefits, and very early retirements, The bad news is that the New GA will suffer the same demise as they are run by the unions and making the same mistakes again, Hopefully the taxpayers will not have to bail them out again so they workers can retire in their early 50′s with a full boat of benefits. The opposition party always tries to defeat the other party. The Dems did exactly that to Bush, Did you forget? I said Obama’s 4 1/2 year unemployment average is 9.3%. Do you dispute that and do you really think things are getting better, The labor participation rate has dropped over 5% and is down to 1978 (Jimmy Carter) levels. The country is in a mess and getting worse. Bush had Nancy Pelosi and Hairy Reed. Did you forget that? Are you off your meds? If Romney was President, the economy would be on it’s way to better times. Business is hunkered down awaiting the next dumb thing this socialist is going to do. People will not be hiring until he is gone,
        In the last week, Obama has made our once proud country the laughing stock of the world with his weakness.

      • floradwhatever:

        “No dumbo, I am, sure the UAW drove GM into the ground. It was
        restrictive work rules, unsubstantial benefits, and very early
        retirements, The bad news is that the New GA will suffer the same demise
        as they are run by the unions and making the same mistakes again,”

        I will repeat what I said: The management of GM agreed to all of those conditions that were bargained for and signed by them on a lawful binding contract. Blame them for signing the contract.
        The bad news is the new GM has a contract that was singed and voted for by the union members that cut the throats of new hires and has given back things that took labor more than 150 years to get. The worst contract in the history of unions. You are concerned that things will remain the same? When already a large change has happened. You can’t see past your nose!

        floradwhatever:
        Hopefully the taxpayers will not have to bail them out again so they
        workers can retire in their early 50′s with a full boat of benefits.”

        Those benifites were agreed to

        floradwhatever:
        “The
        opposition party always tries to defeat the other party. The Dems did
        exactly that to Bush, Did you forget?”

        Did the democrats get on national TV and and promise to make Bush fail?

        floradwhatever:
        “I said Obama’s 4 1/2 year
        unemployment average is 9.3%.

        You even lie about what you have said here is exacly what you said: “Bush had a 8 year unemployment average of 5.3% and Obama’s is 9.3%. It is all Bush’s fault.”

        Another republican hand book maneuver, leaving things out.
        then lying about it.

        floradwhatever:
        “Do you dispute that and do you really
        think things are getting better,”

        Your credibility ranks right up there with Rush Limbaugh

        The labor participation rate has
        dropped over 5% and is down to 1978 (Jimmy Carter) levels. The country
        is in a mess and getting worse. Bush had Nancy Pelosi and Hairy Reed.
        Did you forget that? Are you off your meds? If Romney was President, the
        economy would be on it’s way to better times. Business is hunkered down
        awaiting the next dumb thing this socialist is going to do. People will
        not be hiring until he is gone,
        In the last week, Obama has made our once proud country the laughing stock of the world with his weakness.

      • I agree the Old GM was very stupid to sign a contract that guaranteed their failure and the government was stupid to bail them out. Won’t happen again. Those benefits for early retirees were not agreed to by the people now paying them, the taxpayers. They should be drastically reduced. Those unemployment stats are the facts no matter if you believe them on not. You keep blaming Bush after all this time. What a joke. Thank goodness the American auto industy is being saved by plants in the right to work states. Even Michigan, the birthplace of the UAW just voted to become a right to work state so their economy can begin to heal from the years of union abuse.

      • floridanative:
        “I agree the Old GM was very stupid to sign a contract that guaranteed
        their failure and the government was stupid to bail them out.”

        How do you think that bailing GM was a stupid mistake when it save over a million jobs and kept the supplier form bankruptcy the same suppliers that supply Ford and consider this your favorite car makers like Toyota their Tundra is almost as “American” as Ford’s F-150 pickup. Both have 75 percent domestic content and both are assembled in the U.S and use U.S.-built transmissions. | June 19, 2013 | Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
        What would happen to them if the 75% of American made parts stopped because GM was not bailed out? Would they fold up in this country?

        floridanative:
        “Won’t
        happen again. That is a sure bet I think the unions have learned a great lesson as have the management.

        floridanative:
        “Those benefits for early retirees were not agreed to by
        the people now paying them, the taxpayers.”

        So what is your point? Do tax payers have any say so about how there taxes are used? I know onething there would be a lot less tax payers if GM had not been bailout. Who knows what the domino effect would have been?

        floridanative:
        “They should be drastically
        reduced.”

        What makes you think they wont be? Is there a reason you never talk about the white collar retirement? 30% have taken a lump sum payment. Is this any better than early retirement? what about the 70% that didn’t take it? I know one thing that $25 billion you are always bitchin’ about is this retirement not the unions.

        floridanative:
        Those unemployment stats are the facts no matter if you believe
        them on not.”

        After you lying about them. Why should anyone believe you.

        floridanative:
        “You keep blaming Bush after all this time. What a joke.
        Thank goodness the American auto industy is being saved by plants in
        the right to work states.”

        I put the blame on who ever deserves it and the team of Bush/Chaney has earned it. The transplant auto corporations could have set up in any state and thrived. They pay good wages and have very good benefits. and non of these things are guaranteed in a right to work state in fact it is very rare. The reason the workers get these in are right to work state is because of the fact that unions are still available in these states and the Transplant corporations are smart enough to give their employees all the good stuff because of this union availability. That is the only reason the workers get the good pay and benefits

        Even Michigan, the birthplace of the UAW just
        voted to become a right to work state so their economy can begin to
        heal from the years of union abuse.

      • If GM had been allow to go into bankruptcy as is the US law, they would not have been closed, but restructured. The law would have been followed and they would be much better off now.The suppliers would still be making parts and still be selling over half of them to the transplants and to Ford. The way Obama ignored the law and screwed the millions of small investor was wrong and upset the apple cart and reduced confidence in investing. One reason why GM stock is in the toilet and will never return. It is now know that liberal politicians will break the law and protect their big contributors.Read the article I posted and stop lying, You think it is an accident that the transplant companies set up in right to work states. Give me a break; you are not that stupid. They did it to avoid the crushing work rules of the UAW. VW tried it in PA and had to close the plant. Their plant in AL is thriving. Unions run companies under than companies know that, I see you made no comment about the folks of MI throwing out the unions. When states switch to Right To Work about 40% drop their membership. WI teachers is a great example. You seem to think that workers in Right to Work states have it bad. Totally untrue.

      • floridanativee:
        Well Einstein read the truth there were no laws broken your sources of information are making you look very much like the dumb ass you really are.
        The General Motors Chapter 11 sale of the assets of automobile manufacturer General Motors and some of its subsidiaries was implemented through section 363 of Chapter 11, Title 11, United States Code in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York. The United States government-endorsed sale enabled the NGMCO Inc.[1] (“New GM”) to purchase the continuing operational assets of the old GM.[2][3][4]
        Normal operations, including employee compensation, warranties, and
        other customer service were uninterrupted during the bankruptcy
        proceedings.[2] Operations outside of the United States were not included in the court filing.[2]
        I really think you should read the rest of this because you are not a dumb ass just misinformed and a victim of the right wing propaganda machine.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Chapter_11_reorganization
        The rest of your comment is just as bad.

      • Bankruptcy law has for centuries stated the order in which plaintiffs are to be paid. IRS is number one and then bond holders are number two on that list. Obama skipped the bond holders and gave their money to the unions in the form of ownership. The bond holders largely made up of folks saving for retirement got pennies on the dollars. There was a large hue and cry about it as it was the only time it had ever been done. This is widely known. Rational people don’t use Wiki as a source as it is open source and anybody can go in and change things. Face it, Obama took money from little old ladies and gave it to the unions and left the taxpayers to handle the extravagant early retirement pensions and healthcare of the GM workers and their dependents. (My article said $27 BILLION). Aren’t you so proud. Next time you see an old lady checking out groceries behind the counter, ask her if her money was stolen by the UAW.

      • I have shown you facts with links to my sources. what have you offered? just your word that contain lies and misinformation . you are what I said you are and nothing more.

      • Your links didn’t show what you said. You want to believe it. Bottom line is union membership has fallen from over 40% of the private sector workers to 6%. Not needed anymore. Simple as that. You are takers. You have every right to be wrong. I don’t care. You guys hurt a lot of people like all those Wal-Mart employees y’all told they wouldn’t get fired for walking off the job and going to Arkansas. Very sad. I keep preaching for people to better themselves so they can be worth more to any employer. You keep preaching be average and let the union do it for you. Doesn’t work any more.

      • As someone who was personally screwed on GM bonds, I can tell you floridanativee is spot on. Obama violated one of the sacred trusts that our economy is founded upon. I still can’t understand why people aren’t up in arms about it – apparently when it happens to someone else it doesn’t matter.

      • How much of the blame for your loss are you willing to accept? Did you have insurance against loss? Did you not see GM was going down, there was sure enogh time you could have cashed the bonds in.
        This is the fist time I have ever seen that the union members did not lose every thing retirement health care. no one ever cried about them. If you think the unions were to blame for this keep in mind that every thing they got was agreed to by management. They did not have to sign the contract.

      • Blame? I accept none. Insurance? Seriously? Apparently you know little about investment. The Bonds ARE the insurance. Sell? No reason to, GM had plenty of assets to back up the bond value should liquidation occur and the return was good. Bondholders are guaranteed first in line status – it’s the assurance that gives investors confidence to loan their money. This has been a sacred covenant be it corporate, municipal or government bonds. That all changed with GM. Obama, GM and the UAW made a ‘deal’, Obama would purchase equity in GM (with public funds that were themselves borrowed using bonds – ironic), become their primary creditor assumiing ‘first in line status’, the bondholder ‘equity’ (bond amount / share price) was handed to the UAW to prop up the retirement & healthcare. It’s a case of theft pure and simple, the bondholders (typically the elderly and pension funds – many GM employees) were robbed and the UAW received the take. To add insult to injury a certain amount of equity transfer occurred so plenty of shareholders got screwed as well. It’s a dark chapter in the world of business ethics.

      • You are right I know next to nothing about the world of stocks and bonds. But i do know that if you want a safe steady income bonds are it. it is not a roller coaster ride like stocks. but i read that there is insurance for bond holders. I couldn’t remember where or when so I looked it up and found this: Bond insurance (also known as “financial guarantee insurance”) is
        a type of insurance whereby an insurance company guarantees scheduled payments of interest and principal on a bond
        or other security in the event of a payment default by the issuer of the bond or security. As compensation for its insurance, the insurer is paid a premium (as a lump sum or in installments) by the issuer or owner of the security to be insured.

        I can’t make head nor tail out of it. but it looks like it mite be what I was looking for. if you would like to read more here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_insurance.

        Let’s Tell The Truth on Prop 1
        “Sell? No reason to, GM had plenty of assets to back up the bond value should liquidation occur and the return was good.”
        “Bondholders are guaranteed first in line status”

        reading up on this it seams the guarantee has been forgotten by cities states and corporations. Detroit, and Stockton, Ca have both put bondholders in the mix with everyone else. Detroit offered pennies on the dollar same with Stockton.
        Now you know how the workers have been getting the shaft.

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        in the new General Motors Co. (GM) on April 21, an action that
        analysts said may depress the stock price.

        Bondholders are
        guaranteed first in line status – it’s the assurance that gives
        investors confidence to loan their money. This has been a sacred
        covenant be it corporate, municipal or government bonds. That all
        changed with GM. Obama, GM and the UAW made a ‘deal’, Obama would
        purchase equity in GM (with public funds that were themselves borrowed
        using bonds – ironic), become their primary creditor assumiing ‘first in
        line status’, the bondholder ‘equity’ (bond amount / share price) was
        handed to the UAW to prop up the retirement & healthcare. It’s a
        case of theft pure and simple, the bondholders (typically the elderly
        and pension funds – many GM employees) were robbed and the UAW received
        the take. To add insult to injury a certain amount of equity transfer
        occurred so plenty of shareholders got screwed as well. It’s a dark
        chapter in the world of business ethics.

      • Thanks for the respectful reply. You are somewhat confused on the bond insurance thing. The insurance you relate is specific to the OFFERER not the purchaser. This is a mechanism to enhance the bonds desirability (as opposed to a higher return rate) and is a front tend tool principally for government and derivatives (remember the AIG bailout? This was the problem resulting from bundled securities/derivatives). It’s not an ‘option’ for bond purchasers as you implied. With regard to your ‘equity swap’ for bond holders that was subterfuge to cover violating the ‘first in line’ covenant. Because GM stock was in the toilet, bond holders got zip – something I know first hand. The billions in flushed equity went to the UAW leaving bond holders with pennies on the dollar in depressed – nearly worthless equity. This was a dark chapter in our country that few know of or recognize.

        Had you been a GM retiree with your life savings in the company bonds (like some I know) you’d have a very different take on the UAW / Obama robbery. Those dissociated from the losses are for the most part unaware of the travesty.

      • The respect was when I thought you were just someone that had a legitimate bitch.

        Let’s Tell The Truth on Prop 1
        ” You are somewhat confused on the bond insurance thing. The insurance you relate is specific to the OFFERER not the purchaser.”

        I don’t know who you usually talk to but this tells me volumes and I have read your other posts. You are nothing more than a republican with an agenda. That will say and twist anything to fit what you are trying to inject into peoples minds. I may be some what confused but I can read and can interpret what I read. Your lie about the bond insurance being for the offerer. Explain this which was in the text of the article I sent you: A TYPE OF INSURANCE WHEREBY AN INSURANCE COMPANY GUARANTEES SCHEDULED PAYMENTS OF INTEREST AND PRINCIPLE ON A BOND OR OTHER SECURITY IN THE EVENT OF PAYMENT DEFAULT BY THE ISSUER OF THE BOND OR SECURITY. AS COMPENSATION FOR ITS INSURANCE. THE INSURER IS PAID A PREMIUM (AS A LUMP SUM OR INSTALLMENTS) BY THE ISSUER OR OWNER SECURITY TO BE INSURED.

        This is sure straight forward and in plain English that even I can tell you lied about it. As for the rest of your comment I will treat it as a court of law would. Through it out, You lost your credibility.
        HAVE A NICE LYING LIFE.

      • Well you sure are quick to attack and name call. Where do you get Republican? Or is that just your stock bigoted attack mode response (kind of like calling people a jackass).

        Regardless, how is that relevant to anything we discussed? I twisted nothing, clearly you don’t even understand your own link and like a fool, want to argue, attack and name call on a topic you don’t understand. One more time: “The insurance you relate is specific to the OFFERER not the purchaser. This is a mechanism to enhance the bonds desirability (as opposed to a higher return rate)”. An investor can’t just go out and buy insurance on any security – that’s stupid, if such a thing were available everyone would buy it and have no downside risk. The insurance is specific to and purchased by the OFFERER not the bond purchaser. It’s a ‘perk’ offered on investment grade securities to attract investors – NOT something an investor buys to cover his downside. It’s like a warranty on a car vs a price discount. This is not typical practice in the bond markets where the rate (or a discount in escalating interest environments, or in the case of government securities, a tax exemption) is used as a selling tool. Look at insurance giant AIG that took a bailout. They were stupidly insuring (FOR OFFERERS) bundled mortgage backed securities and derivatives which are far more risky than investment grade bonds as a sales tool promising lower risk on high risk investments. I guess we all know how that worked out. Further, our discussion centered on GM bonds and to the best of my knowledge no such offering has ever been made by GM in a bond product (or any corporate bond for that matter). What’s next insurance for gambling losses? Your failure to comprehend, doesn’t constitute a ‘lie’ on my part. I spoke the truth.

        Like mlmcneely, you have issues starting with a serious prejudice against Republicans (who comprise about half your fellow Americans and I’m sure some of your family and friends) – Holding such bigotry without logic, demonstrates anger issues and impaired judgment. Is it right to demonize people for their political beliefs – even when you don’t know what they are? Do you believe that makes for a better world? Fosters unity with your fellow citizens? Is us vs. them a positive view of life? You’re the problem, not a solution, for a better society and world.

        Clearly you’re not an educated individual (I’d guess H.S. at best), have little understanding about finance (but are ready to argue and attack on the topic from a perspective of ignorance), hold serious prejudice against people for no specific reason, demonstrate knee jerk bigotry (which isn’t the same as racism as mlmcneely thinks in his ignorance) and have a mentality that promotes negativity and confrontation, rather than understanding and cooperation. I’m done with you, any further discussion is clearly a waste of time.

      • When someone blatantly lies to me because they think they can get away with it. Your arrogance is your down fall. By thinking you are superior than the people you love to try and convince that they are inferior to you. A lie is a lie no matter the education or lack of it.

        When i mentioned insurance for bondholders to you this was your reply: “Insurance?” you didn’t even know it existed. so I looked it up and found this: A TYPE OF INSURANCE WHEREBY AN INSURANCE COMPANY GUARANTEES SCHEDULED
        PAYMENTS OF INTEREST AND PRINCIPLE ON A BOND OR OTHER SECURITY IN THE
        EVENT OF PAYMENT DEFAULT BY THE ISSUER OF THE BOND OR SECURITY. AS
        COMPENSATION FOR ITS INSURANCE. THE INSURER IS PAID A PREMIUM (AS A
        LUMP SUM OR INSTALLMENTS) BY THE ISSUER OR OWNER SECURITY TO BE
        INSURED.

        This is where you lied ” The insurance you relate is specific to the OFFERER not the purchaser.” and continued lying with this republican double talk. ” This is a mechanism to enhance the bonds desirability (as opposed to a
        higher return rate) and is a front tend tool principally for government
        and derivatives ”
        This insurance could only enhance the bonds desirability if it paid the bondholders and not the company.

        All this does is expanse the original lie. The insurance does none of these things for the company and you know it.

        Focus Insurance Company Ltd provide the Financial
        Guarantee Insurance that is issued and then endorsed by Adjust Law Group
        Ltd in favor of each bond holder.

        Certain bonds may be referred to as guaranteed or insured. This means that a third party has agreed to make the bond’s interest and principal payments, when due, if the issuer is unable to make these payments.

        In your world the third party is going to pay the interest and principal to the company rather than the bondholders?

        In the real world the bondholder is the one that benefits from the Financial Guarantee Insurance not the company.

        mimcneely and I are cut from the same cloth not highly educated but we are fare from being brain dead as you seem to think every one below your unwaranted belief of being superior is.

        From here down in you comment is the republican hand book instructions in the chapter that reads: Be sure and add a condescending diatribe to your comments, include in them The lack of education, can’t comprehend the basics of economics, stocks and bonds or life. be sure and include things like bigot, and above all psychoanalyze them with terms like demonize, ignorance and prejudice. then once you have done this, hit them up with dismissal that only a tyrant could to a subordinate and make them feel like a lackey. IT DIDN’T WORK.

      • No investment insurance exists for the buyer. Your inability to grasp that fact is a powerful demonstration of your arguing and attacking based on ignorance. This all began based on your feeble attempt to blame the investors who got screwed when the UAW and Obama took their equity/creditor rights trying to imply they (I) should have bought insurance, whereas I informed you the bond and the first in line creditor status IS the insurance. You’re like the guy who blames a rape victim for being too pretty or wearing clothes you think were provocative. I have been respectful and patient with you and you respond with accusation and name calling. Yes, I didn’t know such insurance existed – because it DOESN’T! Show me a single company that will sell an investor a policy insuring their investment – just one. You can’t. Take note, I’m not calling YOU a liar because you can’t grasp the concept and keep asserting things that aren’t true. I give you benefit of doubt because you just don’t (or don’t want to) understand. Clearly discussing these things with someone who depends on Google and Wikipedia for their knowledge is a waste of time. It begs the question: If someone can be so adamant on a topic he clearly doesn’t understand, what other false beliefs does he hold and support? Think about that. I don’t claim to be an expert but I’ve been investing in bond funds, equities, reits, limited partnerships and derivatives for some time – that and a post graduate degree in finance gives me some insight – insight you lack.

        One more time for the learning challenged: “The insurance you relate is specific to the OFFERER not the purchaser. This is a mechanism to enhance the bonds desirability (as opposed to a higher return rate) an investor can’t just go out and buy insurance on any security” what part of that is a lie? Apparently you believe in shooting first and aiming later, take your finger off the trigger and try to understand what you are discussing (and attacking people falsely for).

        When you can show me a source for the INVESTOR to purchase bond insurance (not the offerer/issuer) I’ll concede. Good luck with that. You’ve managed to to exhaust my patience. A discussion with an ignorant hard headed idiot like you is an exercise in futility. Get back to me when you find insurance I as an investor can purchase on my bonds – otherwise give it up.

      • Let’s tell the truth:
        “No investment insurance exists for the buyer. Your inability to grasp that fact is a powerful demonstration of your arguing and attacking based on ignorance.”

        There is no insurance for the “bondholder”. I didn’t use the word buyer because the bondholder is not buying any thing. It is this kind of thing I have been trying to deal with (offerer/issuer)?
        The corporation can get the insurance But it is not available to the people that may want the added protection?

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “This all began based on your feeble attempt to blame the investors who got screwed”.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “This all got started when you replied to a comment I made.
        crying and whimpering. In the beginning I was trying to help you.
        by asking questions To get some information `and one of them was about insurance. (BIG MISTAKE) You said there is no insurance. A LIE! because there is insurance. You didn’t say, as you do now, “No investment insurance exists for the buyer.”
        The buyer of what, Insurance? A bondholder does not buy anything they lone money to the corporation but own nothing.
        There is no guarantees especially with corporate bonds When it comes to corporations there is no ethics.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “when the UAW and Obama took their equity/creditor rights trying to imply they (I) should have bought insurance,”

        Did Obama take these rights? Was this bankruptcy to reorganize
        GM. No they had to close the old GM and open a new one.
        GM made the bondholders an offer before and it was turned down. Big Mistake. Yes I did imply you should have covered you ass by buying insurance. I did not know it was not available to the people that my have wanted it. So string me up to the nearest tree.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “whereas I informed you the bond and the first in line creditor status IS the insurance.”

        If GM makes an offer to the first line creditor and they turn it down. What then? then GM made an offer to another creditor and they accepted it. GM asked the first in line guys they refused.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “You’re like the guy who blames a rape victim for being too pretty or wearing clothes you think were provocative.

        WHEN MY WIFE WAS RAPED I ASSURE YOU NONE OF THOSE THOUGHTS EVER INTERNED MY HEAD. Your assumption of me is baseless. you don’t know me.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “I have been respectful and patient with you and you respond with accusation and name calling. Yes, I didn’t know such insurance existed – because it DOESN’T!”

        YES BUT THERE IS INSURANCE AND YOU DENIED IT.
        With out saying it was not available to bond holders. I told you I had no knowledge in these maters.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “Clearly discussing these things with someone who depends on Google and Wikipedia for their knowledge is a waste of time.”

        Well Einstein I suppose you have never had to use a reference book or google to look something up.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “It begs the question: If someone can be so adamant on a topic he clearly doesn’t understand, what other false beliefs does he hold and support? Think about that.”

        Oh I have thought about that, every time I spend hours searching for answers.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “I don’t claim to be an expert but I’ve been investing in bond funds, equities, reits, limited partnerships
        and derivatives for some time – that and a post graduate degree in finance gives me some insight – insight you lack.

        In this topic I am dumb as dirt. I told you that in the beginning of this night mare But I am learning If you are not willing to loose don’t gamble now matter how certain it looks, SHIT HAPPENS and way to often.

        One more time for the learning challenged: “The insurance you relateis specific to the OFFERER not the purchaser. This is a mechanism to enhance the bonds desirability (as opposed to a higher return rate) an investor can’t just go out and buy insurance on any security”

        This is another thing I have learned. If it does not benefit the corporation you ain’t ah’gon’ta get it.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “what part of that is a lie?”

        The fact that you said there was not any such insurance NONE.
        and there is such insurance it does exist. Being a self admitting dumb ass in this field and you having a college back gound and years of gamboling in it. a more prudent answer would have been: Yes there is such insurance but bondholders can’t get it. It is only for corporations. BINGO a truthful answer.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “Apparently you believe in shooting first and aiming
        later, take your finger off the trigger”

        I made expert marksman in the military.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “and try to understand what you are discussing (and attacking people falsely for).”

        It was warranted. You lied.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “When you can show me a source for the INVESTOR to purchase bond insurance (not the offerer/issuer) I’ll concede. Good luck with that”

        Take a big deep breathe. I can’t it does not exist. but the insurance does.

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “You’ve managed to to exhaust my patience. A discussion with an ignorant hard headed idiot like you is an exercise in futility.”

        Well dick head if you would not have lied it would have save both of us a lot of time grief don’t you think?

        Let’s tell the truth:
        “Get back to me when you find insurance I as an investor can purchase on my bonds – otherwise give it up.”

        I’ll give it up when you admit you lied.

      • YOUR facts are B.S., you’ve been proven wrong over and over, but, since you’re getting paid to sit there a talk this jibberish, I guess you will keep on with your fool comments!! Billy is just tired of your bull-shit as is everyone else!! YOU’re a stupid , fool, and you’re headed for a big fall if you keep counting on those repig , greedy, con-artist to take care of you!!
        But, whatever, so be it, we have tried to tell you!!

      • Only in your own mind. In case you hadn’t noticed it, Obama has already taken the country over a big fall. We have millions and millions few people working than when he took over. We now have 48 MILLION people on food stamps. Business is afraid to hire anybody because they don’t know what this fool is going to do, Now your unions are wanting exemptions from ObamaCare after spending millions on getting it passed. I don’t have the dems or republicans take care of me, I take care of myself and my family.

      • republicans never run out of facts,………they make them up as they talk. It is in the republican hand book. under the chapter: keep talking no matter what but say nothing.

      • You just proved that you are a name caller of the worst kind, calling women union members such as teachers firefighters, nurses, policewomen, and every hard working union member “thugs” . You are truly one sick and despicable individual.

      • Actually you are talking about feeble mind typical republican name callers . You just proved my point, women teaching usually are union members , union members are called thugs by republicans.

      • You . Your’e the one who is calling hard working Union Teachers , Firefighters, Nurses, Policemen, Construction Workers, Factory Workers, etc. thugs , and Union Thugs . Shame on YOU.

      • floridanativee:
        This is to reply to the rest of your comment. CHAPTER TWO.

        floridanativee:
        “One reason why GM stock is in the toilet and will never return. It is
        now know that liberal politicians will break the law and protect their
        big contributors.Read the article I posted and stop lying,”

        I don’t lie.
        The article from wikipedia proves this accusation is not true.
        On this I will not claim you a liar, I just believe they are just lies from your sources That you will believe till death.No matter how much proof that is shown you. I read your comment and responded to it line by line how could I have done that without reading it? There was a chapter two for that one also but didn’t get posted. I had replied to myself so it would be posted close to chapter one. It didn’t work.
        GM stock is not in the toilet. Warren Buffett As of June 30, Berkshire had 40 million shares of the auto maker,
        according to a filing on Thursday with the Securities and Exchange
        Commission. That’s up 60 percent from the stake Berkshire reported March
        31.
        GM shares have lagged the bull market that started in early 2009. But it recently hit a 52-week high of $37.71
        IT WILL COME BACK.

        This is to reply to the rest of your comment. CHAPTER TWO.

        floridanativee:
        ” You think it is an accident that the transplant companies set up in right to work states.”

        No I sure don’t and never said that it was an accident.
        But I don’t think it had anything to do with right to work but the main reason is because the right to work states are in the most distressed and lowest paid. That is why they picked them. As for your theory about avoiding the crushing unions. Just because a state has a right to work for less law does not any way prevent workers from joining or forming a union. so that blows that theory. But the transplants are smart enough to give good wages and benefits so their workers will be less likely form or join.

        floridanativee:
        ” VW tried it in PA and had to close the plant.”

        Was this a try at blaming unions. nice try but here is the real reason:
        When the Pennsylvania factory was opened in 1978, Volkswagen
        officials spoke confidently of capturing 5 percent of the American car market and said they needed a local factory to satisfy demand. But the company’s share peaked out at 3 percent in 1980 and was down to 1.9 percent in the first 10 months of this year.
        ‘VW Westmoreland has
        been operating at less than half its designed capacity for the past five years,” the company said today. ”After a thorough analysis of both the financial implications and market outlook, our board has made the decision to phase out U.S. assembly operations.”

        floridanativee:
        “I see you made no comment about the folks of MI throwing out the unions”.

        HA That is funny; The FOLKS had nothing to say about it the “T” PARTY republican governor and the all republican state government did that all alone.

      • I hit the post button by accented and it want let me edit. So here is the rest of my reply.

        Your credibility ranks right up there with Rush Limbaugh.

        floradwhatever:
        “The labor participation rate has
        dropped over 5% and is down to 1978 (Jimmy Carter) levels”.

        In what?

        “The country
        is in a mess and getting worse. Bush had Nancy Pelosi and Hairy Reed.”

        Bush and the republicans had complete control of the country for 6 years. What good did they do For this country and the citizens in those 6 years? Two unfunded wars and add part “D’ to medicare that was also unfunded. Took a surplus and turned it into the biggest dept of any country in the history of the world.
        borrowed 5.1 Trillion dollars from a Communist county That had backed every enemy we ever fought in that part of the world and they have no human rights. would not repeal the tax breaks that could have helped fund something.
        WHAT GOOD DID THEY DO?

        Nance Pelosi did something that the republicans should have done and thought of doing but didn’t do it.They kicked it around for over 4 years but never acted on it. That was to put restrictions and rein in Freddie and Fannie.

        floradwhatever:
        “Did you forget that? Are you off your meds?

        As you can see I have not forgotten but you sure have.

        floradwhatever:
        “If Romney was President, the economy would be on it’s way to better times. Business is hunkered down.awaiting the next dumb thing this socialist is going to do.

        HA HA HA HA. Romney lost. For good reason. The majority in this country saw that he was a liar and flip flopped on every thing he said. DEAL WITH IT HE LOST.

        floradwhatever:
        “People will not be hiring until he is gone, In the last week, Obama has made our once proud country the laughing stock of the world with his weakness.”

        What weakness are you talking about?

      • YOU are sure an idiot!! The damned sorry economy , brought to YOU by none other than G Bush and Company , caused a huge slump in the auto buisness!! WAKE the hell up!!

      • Bush has been gone for 5 years. Since WWII we have never had a recession last longer than 18 months. Wake up and open your eyes.Socialism doesn’t work. We have to grow our way out of this and Obama is totally anti growth.

      • That just proves my point of just how BAD his administration was and HOW MUCH damage they wreaked on this country!! It may never get completely fixed by anyone!!
        And, jerk, I have never said a damned thing about SOCIALISM working or not working!! I said , that if anyone considers taking care of our sick, old, mentally ill, poor , young, and most of all, OUR VETS , is anything other than OUR DUTY to our OWN brothers and sisters, AS SOCIALISM, then , you and them are NUTS!! To me , your Socialism is my, Christianity and humanity!!
        YOU wake up, and , then GROW up!!

      • You named a lot of folks it was our duty to take care of. Wasn’t it also our duty to take care of old those old folks who got their life savings stolen by Obama so he could give the remains of the company to the UAW. That was GREED pure and simple and you should be ashamed.

      • HOW damned STUPID are YOU! O’bama, kept them and millions of other related jobs alive!! YOU are quite ignorant !! The company took those thinf=gs away, and the company should have to replace them, ( since they are NOW making profits again)!!
        YOU are the shameful little to-to, GOPher boy!! It is the one’s you are defending that have raped the most!!

      • When you reward inefficiency, you get more inefficiency. Had GM been allowed to go thru a structured bankruptcy., they would be much stronger todya and many more people would be working today. Your way is what lead to the total destruction of the city of Detroit.

      • YOUR way would have done NOTHING but bust unions and then re-open DETROIT with low paying non-union auto companies!! That is all in the hell YOUR way is all about in the first place!!
        Cheaper labor, here and abroad, for YOUR greedy ass buddies!!
        Wake up kid, you’re dreaming if you really believe all this garbage you pump out!!

      • Detroit is so broken by the unions it is can not be saved. They have a 48% illiteracy rate even though spending way above average on their union schools., Their police and fire have a 58 minute response time. They have a 28% unemployment rate, They have not had a republican in office since 1962. The is strictly a democrat failure and Obama is trying the same model for the entire US.

      • ALL caused by corporate greed, NOT the unions!! Give it up bitch, YOU ARE WRONG and the sad thing is that YOU know it!!
        Do your bosses pay you overtime for working late like this for them, lying all night long??

      • Republicans have had nothing to do with Deetroit for over half a century. It is a democrat failure, No denying it.

      • Stupid ass, It only took Bush 8 years to ruin the WHOLE country economy, which , if I’m not mistake , includes DEETROIT, !! THERE is definitely NO denying that!!

      • You can not rewrite history. The US economy was doing very well for his first 6 years and only got rocky once Nancy Pelosi took over the house. If ylou check, you will see that Deetroit was doing very bad long before Bush was elected. It is a democrat failure and Nobama is trying to do the same thing for America. His disastrous foreign policies in the last two weeks are making us the laughing stock of the world. Russia is playing him like a fiddle. Even the dems are disgusted with him.

      • YOU are WRONG, and , the terrible corrupt management of these companies caused this loss to these people, NOT O’bama!!
        YOU should be ashamed for lying so damned much, like, all the time!! Get real, punk, you don’t have a damned clue !!

      • You don’t get it do you. Bankruptcy law demands that the IRS is paid first, then the bond holders. Obama screwed the bond holders and gave it to the UAW. This is fact. I am telling the truth, you are just too stupid to see it.

      • O’bama did what he had to to save about a million jobs!! All this was caused in the first place by, CORPORATE GREED and CORPORATE failure, NOT O’bama!! YOU’re the one that doesn’t get it, AND, without a doubt, YOU ARE STUPID!! You always leave out the real source of all the economic troubles and skip oer to unions!! That is B.S., you are paid by Walmart , because they’re scared to death that the PEOPLE are gonna bust their and YOUR friggin bubble!! And, I can’t wait!! DUMBASS, brainwashed fool!

      • floradaanativee.
        That is not going to fly by tying to swich to somthing else. We are talking qabout the money that was awarded to both Chrysler and GM, The bailout amount would have nothing to do with what has been done after they received those funds. money that was gotten back by selling stock would have been deducted from those funds not added to them. The Billions in obligations of retirement and heath care are going to be turned over to an insurance company at a cost of between $2 and $5 billion. This is for the old GM, the one that got the bailout money. So that money has to come from the bailout not add to it. You are a lying fool. this is straight from the republican hand book. Lie until it covers your ass. It is one thing to loose savings and another if you loose your entire retirement and health care.

      • Try $27 BILLION and that does not include healthcare. Stop your lying.

        http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1981958,00.html

        What do you think all those families that lost their savings by being screwed by the UAW were saving for retirement and HealthCare. You don’t seem to have a clue how the real; world works. Where do you think that $27 Billion will come from, the tooth fairy? Already shafted the Mom and Pop investors and there are two possible options. taxpayer bailout or not pay the retirements. .That insurance company you were talking about just handles the paperwork. The money has to come from somewhere. You are perfectly willing to allow these very early retirees to live on the public dole. Shameful.

      • Most American companies have interest in foreign companies , and visa – versa . Ford owned Jaguar at one time, had interest in Mazda , and other companies. Still an American company, as is Chrysler.

      • Chrysler was wholly owned by FIAT. Ford did not have an interest in Mazda, they went together for a project.

      • Ford did have a partnership with Mazda from 1979 to 2010. Ford also bought Jaguar for 2.5 billion in 1989. in 2000 Ford bought Land Rover for 2.7 billion . Almost all American auto manufacturers have partnerships with foreign car manufacturers. Ford still an American Auto Manufacturer, GM, still an American Auto manufacturer, Chrysler Still an American Auto Manufacturer. No go back to work cleaning your basement apartment in your mom’s house.

      • The poster said Ford owned Masada. I told him they had a partnership on a project and never had ownership of them, He also denied the Chrysler was ever owned by FIAT. I am well aware of the deals you mentioned and others, but that was not the question.I also told him that over 50% of the cars made in the USA are not made by UAW members. Why are liberals always so nasty?

      • I don’t know what poster you are referring to , but MY Post said,”Ford was in partnership with Mazda for more than 10 years “. I never saw a post on here that said according to you, ” Ford owned Masada “. You are Not very coherent floridantivee, do you know what day of the week it is? Do you know where you are?. Are you dizzy ? You are not worth talking to because you are very incoherent, and babbling jibberish, and nothing you say makes any sense. Hope you seek medical help soon .

      • You said, “Chrysler was wholly owned by FIAT” . Wholly owned means all , as in 100% owned . Chrysler was Not, “Wholly Owned by FIAT” , Period. Look in the dictionary to see the definition of wholly = completely , entirely , 100%.

      • YOU little prick!! It wasn’t a bust at all!! And, because of W-marts damned scare tactics of firing people if they even mention the word “union”, I think these people stood up for what they believe in against a fascist company , and, it always takes the first step to start the ball rolling!! WHAT? Does it scare YOU that someone could actually make over $7.25 an hour, and , get paid for overtime ?? Just, how much of a prick canYOU be??

      • It was a bust as generally only paid union folks participated. The national average wage for Wal-Mart hourly employees is $15/hour and they promote from within. 80% of their managers are from within. They do not suffer complainers and fools though. This union has spent tens of millions of dollars of their members dues money trying to unionize Wal-Mart and has not had ANY success. You know why they hate Wal-Mart. They have taken over 25% of the nation’s grocery business and reduced the dues paying membership of the grocery union drastically. It is all about money for the union bosses, not about the Wal-Mart employees. They are using useful fools like you to spread their false message.

      • YOU are the ignorant , useful FOOL,
        you little , lying twerp!! Where in the hell does a regular,or, part=time(which is what w=mart does to dodge paying worth a sh$%%$t) associate at W=mart make any damned $15.00 an hour??? Damned sure not here in Virginia!!
        YOU are nothing but a bare-faced LIAR!! And I’m damned tired of putting up with pricks like YOU!!
        YOU don’t give a damn about a soul on this earth but yourself!! FOOLS like YOU think all the good things in this country just grew on friggin trees and the corporate bosses, with all their love and kindness, just gave evryone enough pay to make the MIDDLE_CLASS ever even exist!! And, worse than that, YOU are so stupid, that YOU actually think the middle-class will just live on forever!!
        The PEOPLE, got damned sick and tired of being used like pack animals , years and years ago!! They JOINED together to fight back, with UNIONS!! UNIONS are what made the American DREAM possible for the middle class!!
        And, idiot, scum bsg, scab, fools like YOU are ready and willing to watch it all go to hell !! YOU are nothing but a spoiled rotten little punk!
        I’ll not have anything else to do with corporate thug scum , like you!! PRICK!
        YOUR Walmart has shut down more mom and pop and locak stores than any other company in history, that is why unions are trying to organize against this monster co., you, really are quite ignorant!!

      • Maybe some day you can get into the middle class yourself. Wal-Mart has caused some Mom and Pop stores to go out of business. You would have the poor continue to shop at these small inefficient stores and pay a lots more for much less choice. That is pretty selfish of you to hurt poor just to satisfy your hatred of Wal-Mart. Consumers can shop anywhere they wish. The non competitive operations don’t make it. That is the way it is. When the autos came along, the wagon makers went under,. Times change. The days of going into a store and having the grocer slice off a chuck of cheese for you are over. There are many small specialty shops around. Many stores have learned to compete with the big box stores. A great example is Ace Hardware, They sell the same stuff as Home Depot and Lowes and struggled as they were starting up. They found what they did best and are doing it well and expanding. The same is true with restaurants. A good private Mom and Pop place can still out preform the chains Wal-Marts average hourly wage is $12 nationwide. Probably not in West Virginia, but wages in WV are generally lower there anyway. I think those coal miners would want to keep their jobs and won’t want you to give them away, You may want to think about increasing your meds,

      • MY MEDS, you just finished saying that the W=mart average was $15.00 an hour, which one is it, mental boy?? I’ve been in the middle class longer than you’ve been breathing, you little spoiled punk!! Hell, i retired in 2001, at age 51!! See if you can do that , prick!! I don’t live in W.Virginia, I live in Virginia, there is quite a difference!! I don’t want anybody to lose their job, BUT, just like YOU preach, times change, and coal is dirty , old news!! It’s day is over, only the greedy coal mine owners want to keep it going and polluting the planet, for their own greed because they don’t give a damn about anything but themselves and their greedy money!!
        I don’t give a damn how much money you make, or the CEO’s of Lowe’s , or Logans Steak house, I want them to pay their people fairly , a living wage , as to the profut they make!! THEY DO NOT DO THAT AND THEY DON”T WANT TO!!
        DO YOU UNDERSTAND?? Hell NO, you don’t because you are just like the pricks!! A JERK!
        As far as meds go, it is a shame , but, to be so young , I think YOU need quite a few truck loads of drugs to get YOU off the drug you’re on now!! THE stupid, brainwashed drug!!

      • I said $12 was their nation average for hourly workers and it is. Your early retirement and living off the dole for an extra 14 years than real workers is exactly the problem. It isn’t sustainable. I though you said West Virginia. I might point out to you that the union coal miners and well as the owners are very much against what Nobama has done to the coal industry. Won’t even allow them to export it due to the hoax of global warming. The US uses only 1/8th of the coal burned in the world, but has the most proven reserves.

      • YOU can suck my ass!! YOU little twerp!! Living off dole , yeah! right!
        The company offered early Retirement “BUY-OUTS”, NOT me!! YOU stupid little prick!! I worked harder and longer in one year than you have or COULD or WOULD in your whole, ignorant short life!!
        LOOK! If you don’t know WTF you are talking about, get some sleep, and STFU!!
        YOU are way too stupid to be getting paid for this kind of work!!
        If your greedy coal mine bosses would do what’s right and clean up their greedy, grubby act, they wouldn’t have to deal with so much crap!! AND, you ARE A real FOOL IF YOU DON’T THINK POLLUTION FROM COAL AND OIL IS KILLING THIS PLANET, or , IS IT you JUST DON’T GIVE A DAMN!! Just like YOUR corporate idols!!
        YOU are really way off in your head about just about everything!!

      • Back in your working days, you were productive (you claim) and now you are not. That is living off the dole. Other people are working to support your lifestyle. They work and you retire, This is 14 years before normal people retire, By the way you talk, you must have worked in the coal mines in West Virginia. Is that why you hate them so much? How does that transfer over to Wal-Mart? You seem to be getting upset, Well, I have to get back and make some more money so I can support the non achievers like you on the dole.

      • I don’t claim, I’m telling YOUR useless ass, I will work you in the ground, any time, any place , and I’ll do it right now, punk!! I worked part time for spending money for 6 years after I retired, so, why don’t you kiss my asshole!! Punk!Guess you’re just jealous , since, you working for W=mart, won’t be able to retire until you’re my age , 62, or by then, your boys will have the retirement age up to 70!! What a shame!! You couldn’t begin to make enough to pay me, my investments and savings do that!!
        Man, what an achiever you are, working for Wally-world!! Lying to people so they can get richer paying you $12.00 or $15.00 or $7.25 an hour!! Aren’t YOU the brilliant one!! HA!HA!HA!
        And, by the way, you seemed to forget, THEY offered a “BUY-OUT, to get us to leave early!! Do you even know what a BUY-OUT is?? Thousands of us took it!! And, NO stupid, I didn’t work in a coal mine, and I don’t hate COAL MINERS, I despise the bosses of the mines who let people die because they’re too greedy and sorry to enforce any saftey rules!! I already told YOU, ignorant ass, I worked for the world’s largest communications company!! I spliced the very first fiber cable from my city to the next city!! What the hell have YOU done, puss-wad?? Sit on your ass!!

      • I don’t know, but, I think he’s working for W-fart, in their anti-union group!!He says he owns his own company and works from a computer, but, I think he’s just like KenMeyer, a lying twerp !! Never , ever says what he really does or how many jobs he’s created or what his ” COMPANY ” is!! Just more bull-shit from the lying repig bull pen!! I know one thing, he can’t possibly have much to do as far as this fantasy company of his is concerned, becAUSE, HE ANSWERS EVERY INGLE COMMENT IN LESS THAN A MINUTE!! That’s why I believe his boss lives in the nearest W=Fart store!! HA!
        How ya been doing my friend, great I hope??

      • A lineman rather than a coal miner now. Working with your brain is always going to bring more money than with your hands, I work with my brain. Was it World Con? I can see why they would want you to leave. I always try to get rid of the dead wood also. Working hourly is very limiting. I know you tend to think in dollars per hour, but there is a whole different world of small business that can be much more rewarding. The owner of a small shop can make 5 times more than a lineman on one shop and with expansion can earn many multiples of an hourly lineman, Don’t get me wrong we need linemen and some folks are satisfied trading hours for dollars with no chance of making real money.

      • Buddy, I made real money as a Splicer / maintenance occupation!! TOP craft in my field!! I had to go through 7 different job titles to get to the top, which I achieved in 11 years!! I was offered management, but, I turned it down because I COULD make more money where I was than a first level supervisor !! WHO the hell is World CON?? I said , the largest , best telecommunications co., in the world!! If you can’t figure that one out, I suggest you go back to your kindergarden you got your degree from!!
        All, i can say, is , I hope you are as well rewarded as you think you’ll be!! Not everybody can or even wants to have their own business, and, I’m damned proud of working with my hands and my brain!! You don’t do my kind of work, 42 inches from hot power lines day in and day out and at night, for 30 years and stay alive without using your brain!! Much more proud of that than a person person sitting on there fat, pussy ass, typing all day!! How exciting!!
        You don’t read or comprehend , or listen very well do you?? So, I guess you can see why they wanted thousands of us to leave, right, and why they offerd thousands of us buy=outs every 3 years for the last 13 years or so!! Can you see that???
        You are as dumb as a sack of rusty nauls and you make it more clear to everyone each time you open your trap!! Tell me, stupid, when are you going to retire?? At 95, is your business that pitiful or are you just that greedy!!

      • I can see how you would be proud being a first class lineman, but a lineman is never going to make the big bucks. Just not going to happen. Now others are working to pay your pension, You are living off their work. Who will pay for theirs? I suspect that the reason that they wanted to get rid of so many people was automation. Folks working with their hand are quickly becoming outdated. A guy running a private restaurant can make $250,000 a year. A lineman is on a fixed rate and maybe some overtime. The real money will never happen. Pretty obvious to me that working in the hot sun all that time did something to your brain. I guess that with fiber optics they no longer needed the old technology you knew.

      • Now I know you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about!! I don’t have a God-damned PENSION stupid ass! I took a BUY-OUT , that the company offered everyone with a certain amount of years on the job!! What is it you don’t understand?? No-one is paying me a pension, BUY-OUT, look it up on Wikipedia, you stupid young fool!!
        The reason they wanted to get rid of people was because they figured giving people up to $300,000 thousand plus $10,000 some years and $50,000 other years as a BONUS to TAKE the buy-outs was cheaper than having these folks on the payrole!! Who the hell wouldn’t take it?? Only a dumb ass like you I guess!!
        YOU are so stupid, I averaged 70 hours a week for years and years, and , thanks to unions, I got time and a half after 40 hours and double time after 49 and if that’s chump change to you, then, so be it!! But, that was 12 years to 25 years ago, or there abouts!!
        The reason we worked so much was because the company did not hire a soul in my district for 18 years, and , as we got fewer and fewer by attrition, we worked more and more!!
        Then, the company wanted to merge with another huge communications company, but, the SCC told them they had to hire more people to cut down over=time and over working, in order to get the merger!! SO, they did hire, WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE!! That is when they really started to offer bigger and better retirement packages to thousands of the older employees!!
        Now, stupid, what else can I explain to your ignorant , punk ass about your DOLE shit???
        Kiss my ass you little idiot!! Grow the hell up and then come back and we’ll chat again!!

      • But somebody had to pay for the buyout. So you took it because they were going to drop you back to 40 hours or so. At 51, you should have started up a company. The company was stupid to have so few employees they had to pay overtime. That is pretty basic stuff. 51 is not an older person.So you are living off the interest of your buyout. You do realize that when you die, the dems want to take half you net worth through inheritance taxes. Greeter at Wal-Mart would be a great part time job for you. You would need to work on your people skills.

      • Once again stupid, you don’t read or comprehend!! I told your stupid ass that I worked part-time at a mulch yard for 6 years!! I had to have both of my shoulders totally replaced right after I retired!! Wasn’t much I could do, if, that suits YOU , prick!!
        I just can’t quite figure , that someone a brilliant as you think you are would want to keep working to 65 when, according to YOU, you are just rollong in the doe at your wonderful business already!! Hell, by the time you are 50 or 55 , according to you, you’ll be a billionaire, are you gonna keep working till you drop dead if you are that rich?? If you do, then , you are even more stupid than I think you already are!!
        Besides, there has been an inheritance tax forever, and the dems are only talking about the super rich, which , I don’t fit in !! Maybe you will , I hope so!!

      • Nope, the dems want to drop the minimum on the inheritance tax and have it 50%, With bad shoulders, that greeters job would work for you. So you retired from your lineman job with the buyout at 51 then went on to work at a mulch yard. Doesn’t seem to smart to me.

      • SMART isn’t YOUR MO, dumb=ass! If you can’t understand the things I’ve told you, you never will, so , continue on with your self obtained ignorance and total stupidity!! Maybe when you get out of diapers and grow up, you’ll find out what things are really like in this world!! But, you have very well proven, YOU don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground yet!!
        YOUR comments are very good for this blog!! Just shows how damned stupid people that have have never done crap are so damned spoiled and ignorant!! YOU just do not have the capapbility to understand anything but your blind brainwashed foolishness!!
        Please , take another toke off your crack pipe and get some sleep!! MAN, you’ve got a long way to go!!

      • You never mention what I say wrong. The dems are trying to get there to be no minimum on the inheritance tax, so you will owe half to the government. Prove me wrong,

      • YOU may want to apply for that greeting job yourself, it may be the real position you could prosper at, because, this field is too much for you!!

      • Hey, you are the one who needed union protection. I make my living with my mind, not my hands. Your poor attitude would disqualify anyway. You are better off up on top of the pole where you don’t have to meet the public.

      • I saw that yesterday, the 3rd largest county in WI certified their teachers union by a vote of 2 to 1. State wide they have lost over 40% of their members. When giving a choice, people normally choose not to put up with unions. MI is experiencing the same thing.

      • Well said Mimcneely. This feeble mined he – she ? has no credible argument against unions whatsoever. Calling firemen , teachers, policemen, and all the other hard working union men and women , ” thugs or even union thugs”, is no argument at all . It only shows this florida persons complete lack of intelligence and sanity. Floridnativee is being made a fool of by Floridanativee. So, let Floridanativee ramble on, no one is taking this person seriously.

      • I know , no one with an ounce of common sense pays any attention to this fruit cake!! I’ve tried to tell , show, and explain things to him that he has so screwed up in his head!! BUT, kinda like trying to tie a ribbon around a fart, ya know!!! HA!HA! Just like most self-centered repigs!!
        Anybody that doesn’t know the difference between a pension and a “buy out”, probably isn’t doing too good at that so called buisness of his!! HELL< vietvet, I'd be damned ashamed to say I had never worked a day in my life and would rather sit on my ass typing bull-shit ALL DAY LONG!!! But, this terep is proud of his useless self!!
        Beats the hell out of me, but, I guess that's what we can look forward to, a world of people with no arms or legs, just a little FAT head looking at a computer screen!! DAMN!!

      • The ONLY reason they pay that up there is because of the FRACKING BOOM!!When that dies down, they’ll probably close the place down , much less go back to $7.50 an hour!!
        Supply and demand, maybe, but, maybe it could be called robbing the people who go there to work in the middle of nowhere!! YA THINK!! And , why should the people at McDonalds’ everywhere else NOT make at least $10.00 an hour!! It’s already been figured that if they raise the pay to $15.00 an hour, it won’t raise the cost of a burger but 25 cents!!Who is that gonna hurt, but , how much would it help people who are now making way below poverty pay( in 99% of this country), who, if given this increase could possibly get off welfare and etc!!

      • If you know anything about fracking, you would know it isn’t going to die down. Look at a Google Earth photo of the US. Most of it is in the middle of nowhere and in my opinion only fools choose to live on top of each other. Wal-Mart said today that their average hourly employee make about $12/hour, is full time, and has health insurance. New employees who demonstrate great work ethic can quickly get into that category. Your bad attitude is going to doom you and your family to the bottom rung of society. Too bad.

      • trouble is their full-time workers are out numbered by part-time workers by 20 to 1!!
        Sir, my family is well above the bottom rung and I’ve retired 12 years ago!! TOO BAD!!
        And , if YOU think that good work ethics is greatly rewarded by moving up to a whole whooping $12.00 an hour CATEGORY, then, you’re nuts!! Even that category is still well below the poverty level!!And, as far as health insurance, they pay for that, maybe a little cheaper as it is a group plan, but, the worker pays for it, W=mart isn’t giving them a damned thing!!
        You need to wake up buddy!! You’re NOT going to pull your repig wool over anybody’s eyes on this blog , except other fools like yourself!!
        I was lucky enough to have had a 57 acre farm myself, I don’t like living on top of others either, but, I have enough sense to know that $7.25 to $15.00 isn’t enough for anyone to have a farm or even 2 acres in this world today!! Therefore, most POOR folks have to live where they can afford!!
        What is it YOU don’t understand?? And, NOTHING last forever, including , FRACKING!!

      • Bud, I’ve got about as much credibility as YOU do when you said you’ve talked to EVERY W-mart employee about whether or not they want or don’t want a union !!
        But, it might not be 20 to 1 but, it is much more part-time than full-time at Wallyworld!!

      • Go to “Policymic”, look at, Walmart Jobs; Walmarts terrible new hiring practices hurt it’s 1.3 million employees..
        Walmart considers 28 hours a week as FULL_TIME!! So, figure it out for ourself, Mr. Credibility!! This is because the ACA says that 30 hours a week is full-time!! So, W-mart makes up new rules and now hires majority of part-time and temp help!!
        You show me your stst and your cresibility that I’m wrong!!

    • We each have the responsibility to improve ourselves and make ourselves more valuable to any employer. Not doing so, just makes it rough for the families of those unwilling to do so.

      • floridanativee:
        Willingness may not have anything to do with it. Not everyone are born with the abilities to pick themselves out of poverty. Some times just a helping hand can get them on the right track. This country has such a helping hand it is called welfare thousands of people have become an asset to this country. The average time on welfare is 2 years some require more and some less it is capped at five years. It is not a question of will or how hard you work. The abilities you are born with is all you have.

      • Yep, we have some people that are not capable and I am all for helping them. Unfortunately we have many, many able bodies people who are on welfare. I know of people who have been in public housing for decades. Obama’s aunt for example has been in there longer than you claim. The stimulus bill did away with the work requirement and length of time requirements. I have people refusing work, they just need to say they have looked. It is a sham. Our safety net that you claim is for those who can’t work has become a hammock for those who choose not to work. Unfortunately now in 35 states welfare pays more than work, Post the link for you time requirements.

        http://209.157.64.200/focus/news/3056833/posts

      • I said nothing about being able bodied I was referring to the people that were not born with the abilites to get out of poverty. a lot of people that don’t have these abilities are not living in poverty because they were not born into it. I never gave any time requirements but did give estimates for people getting off of welfare and I never said anything about them being unable to work that falls in the lap of Social Security Disability not welfare. I was trying to point out that this great country has programs that help the citizens to over come hardships. I am assuming that you are talking about the work requirements for food stamps?
        Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said Wednesday that in looking at
        deeper work requirements, Republicans are ignoring who actually gets
        food stamps. He said 92 percent of recipients are children, the elderly,
        disabled or people who are already working.

        http://news.yahoo.com/house-gop-considers-food-stamp-requirements-200741717.html

        I have noticed that you are a big believer in the propaganda spewing right wing organizations. The link you provided proves it.

        There’s A New Study That Says Welfare Pays Better Than Work — Here’s Why It’s Total Nonsense

        Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/does-welfare-really-pay-better-than-work-2013-8#ixzz2dtbEWtQM

        I suggest you read this and get the truth for a change.

      • I showed you the article indicating that welfare paid more that work in 35 states. Did you not even read it/

      • floridanative:
        NOPE. I didn’t have to. I know how the republican right wing propaganda machines work. the Cato Institute,IFW.ORG/NEWS, the daily caller, the new American, investors Insight, GOPUSA,
        Infowars, News MSN, The National Journal, CNS NEWS and there are over 30 more Google pages with the same head lines. Is this the only news that is so important to warrant over 300 sites telling the world about it? Absolutely not. Is it a good way to smear something the GOP hates? Absolutely!

        You wont read this one ether But give it a try it may expand your thinking.
        http://www.epi.org/blog/cato-study-distorts-truth-welfare-work/

      • Once again, you quote a left wing blog as fact. I see it for myself. I see it all the time. Younger people do not want to work., They get as much or almost as much for doing nothing. I see people with cell phones, expensive hair and nail jobs using EBT cards for their groceries and then paying for their beer separately. It is wrong, The notion that everybody on welfare is needy is just flat out wrong. Some are and some are not. A quick trip to Wal-Mart check out lime will prove this to you. It happens frequently and you saying it doesn’t is wrong. We have brought up a whole generation of poor to accept it and not make any attempt to help themselves. Do you know what the main health problem of the poor is in America. Obesity. I hire these people and a large percentage are just working there long enough to get unemployment. They demonstrate zero work ethic, don’t care if the company makes a profit or not. Giving them this kind of life hurts them and their families. Promoting mediocrity is always a bad idea.

      • floridanativee: Man what is wrong with you? Yes I gave you two links to the only sites I could find that told why this CATO article was misleading:

        So what makes this so misleading?

        For one, Tanner and Hughes make the assumption that these families
        receive simultaneous assistance from all of the following programs:
        Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Supplement Nutrition
        Assistance Program (SNAP), Medicaid, Housing Assistance Payments, Low
        Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP), Women, Infants, and
        Children Program (WIC), and The Emergency Food Assistance Program
        (TEFAP). It is this simultaneous assistance from multiple sources that
        lets the entire “welfare benefits package” identified by Cato add up to
        serious money. But it’s absurd to assume that someone would receive
        every one of these benefits, simultaneously.

        Now you tell me this is a lie and prove it. At no time did I or my links mention FRAUD It is not even mentioned in this thread. I see the good welfare does and all you can see the fraud. There is Fraud for sure. You claim you have seen it but if you did not report it you are not doing your civic duty. You have acused me of something I have not done;

        floridanativee:
        ” It happens frequently and you saying it doesn’t is wrong.”

        I have not mentioned fraud so how could I deny it?
        this is way to long. You keep looking for things to hate other people for.

      • Seems it is O!K! for these people to quote RIGHT WING people hating , union busting,selfish, greedy crap, though , isn’t it now!!
        They never listen or look at the facts given them , because, it ia waste of their time, B.S., they don’t want to look at anything but what is good for their back pockets!!

      • mimcneely:
        Ether a 1st cousin or an illegitimate son or maybe spec cunti has changed his name again.
        floridanativee is a plant. I looked at his profile and he has commented 4,331 times and he is on this site 24 hrs a day.
        He should really look for a new line of work ’cause he sure sucks at this.

      • Nobody is an extreme liberal between me or Billy, we just want fair wages for the worker, fair enough to live on at least a LITTLE LIVING! Seems to me that YOU are quite judgemental yourself!!
        Has it ever occured to you that rich kids , don’t want to work just the same as the poor kids!! The rich ones think they don’t have to work and the poor ones don’t get paid enough to work!!
        Also, has it occured to you that if people could make more at a job than they get off of welfare , that they would go for the work pay and therefore get off of the welfare pay???
        Why is it that people like YOU think everybody that is poor or has had less oppurtunity than you are looking for a free ride!! They want to be paid enough to pay their utility bill, and insurance bill and grocery bill, and on and on, while YOU want to keep the minimum wage the same or even less!! While prices rise continuously and the gap between the rich and poor just keeps getting larger and larger ??? Something is wrong with that kind of thinking, and the something is nothing less than , GREED!!
        But, if you want to think that I’m an extreme liberal, then , I think that is much better than being an extreme conservative , repig!!

      • mimcneely;

        I don’t think anybody considers you an “extreme liberal” any more than they would consider you an “extreme conservative”. Rather, you appear to be just an individual who never received much of an education, who lacks the ability to reason logically, who lets his emotions dominate his means of expression, and who is dishonest to boot. In truth, you simply don’t seem to have enough knowledge, intelligence, or integrity to be considered “a liberal”, or much of anything else other than a bigoted, corrupted rube.

        Look at your posts here and elsewhere, guy. Like it or not, they’ve defined you…and isn’t hard for anyone to see just what that definition is.

      • Ken Meyer:
        Just another condescending diatribe of meaningless name calling. Your attempt at demeaning and put downs of someone like mimcneely is just your way of trying to feel superior and to recharge your ego and arrogance. it has no meaning to anyone else but you.
        TAKE A HIKE

      • Sounds like a fair observation of yourself!!YATHINK? asshole!! You haven’t proven any amount of intelligence to me or anyone else on this blog!! Just your self serving, pompous , narcissistic opinions, which are like assholes, everybody has one, except most people try to consider others , and , NOT just their greedy selves, as YOU do! GUY, I,ve told you before, you lying jerk, YOU can kiss my ass and go on to hell, ASAP!!
        And , this florida baby, must be your son, or, at least a student in your sick cult!! They haven’t defined me, hell, they haven’t even dfined themselves as anything but brainwashed “RUBES”, like yourself!!
        YOU know, jerk, you are one sick dude!!

      • mimcneely;

        Don’t get your shorts all hiked up in a bunch, guy! Heck, we wouldn’t want you to end-up like one of those “many” who you claimed “jumped out of the windows of skyscrapers” now, would we? [grin!]

      • Are you actually trying to tell me that , that did not happen?? And, as for your claim as to those twp little punks have me pegged and to look back at my comments and responses to them, just how stupid and hypocritical can one fool be ?
        Besides, I don’t wear shorts, I’ll leave that up to preppy punks like you!!

      • mimcneely;

        In terms of “many” and “those”? Yep…that’s what I’m telling you; it did not happen.

        As for “just how stupid and hypocritical can one fool be”…well, you tell me. As far as I can tell, you’re both pretty stupid and pretty hypocritical.

        As for you’re not wearing “shorts”, once you mentioned it, I realized that’s probably the case. Upon reflection, I realized that you – what with you’re constant spouting of sh_t and all – are most likely the type of person who wouldn’t see the need to wear shorts under his trousers, because he’s quite content with letting brown stains accumulate on the inside of his trousers. Forgive my previous assumption.

      • Look at your post, numb-nuts and see how many people have jumped your pompous ass about them!!!
        YOU have been well defined by your own BIG MOUTH, and it really doesn’t take a very hard look to see that!! What planet are you on, toothless??

      • OH! No doubt , about the plant thing!! If the unions down there have spent as much as he says to support unionization of W-mart, how much do you think W=mart and his cronies have spent to defeat it?? Ten or twenty times that much, ya think? HA!
        Sounds like a broken record to me, they all spew out the same crap!!

      • that is because W-marts pay is so low that many of their employees can qualify for benefits!! Does that make YOU proud of your beloved W-mart?

  2. Well, I know a man, making 12.50 an hour for 40 hours a week and he is eligible for food stamps because he has his child living with him. Now, I say that our system is SCREWED up, if a family of 2 with the wage earner being a SKILLED well trained machinery mechanic, still qualifies for aid from the government!!

    • Tom Stewart. The man being highly skilled is under paid for sure. If he were in a union he would no longer need food stamps or any other welfare program. His employer is screwing him.

    • Could YOU make ends meet with $12.50 an hour and a child?? Please, tell the truth!!
      And, I know people ( lots of people) making between $7.25 and $12.50 an hour with NO kids that can’t make ends meet and I know they are not just pissing away their pay checks!! Hell, a decent health care policy takes most of that each month!!

  3. don’t give up,i know how they are I workrd for them 30 years.if people knew what all the retired people from walmart and the older worker knew.they wpuld not dare get a job with them/

  4. This was not a legally protected strike. The union bosses unable to get a majority of ANY Wal-Mart store managed to get a few employees to walk off and get on a bus along with paid union thugs. The union bosses have now moved on and the employees are left with no job as the union bosses knew would happen. Union bosses and the paid thugs all have jobs, and the duped employees are left unemployed with a black mark against them. Very sad. It is all about the millions of dollars a month that the union bosses are not getting from the non union Wal-Mart employees. Follow the money and guys like this now unemployed guy are the sad victims of this quest for dues money.

      • floridanativee.
        OK slick this comes from the NLRB:
        “The National Labor Relations Board protects the rights of most
        private-sector employees to join together, with or without a union, to
        improve their wages and working conditions.”
        http://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-protect
        Is there anything else I can help you with just let me know.

      • Yes, thank you. Please show me the exact text that allows an employee to take off unauthorized time and stand out in front of their place of employment yelling obscenities at their employers customers. If anybody thinks they can do this without being fired, they have obviously been brainwashed by the union boss who still have their jobs today.. This is pretty basic stuff and anybody thinking otherwise just has not thought things through. If the union want to unionize the employees, then their procedures are very simple. They just have to get 50% of the employees to sign a card stating so and the NLRB will schedule an election. The rules are all slanted in the union’s favor and most of the NLRB are former union bosses. The problem remains that the employees do not want to belong to the union. They have such a horrible reputation and all of this recent childish behavior just makes things worse.

      • That is a pro union blog and not worth my time. There are been admitted union bosses on this blog before. Even one of the writers of that anti Wal-Mart film, You still can not send me the text where it says an employee can take unauthorized time from work and stand out front yelling obscenities at his employers customers and not expect to get fired. All the have to do it follow the procedures. The problem is Wal-Mart’s employees do not want to join a union and give their money to union bosses for nothing. If they did, they would already have formed a union. End of story. This isn’t about the employees, but about their money. The union bosses need people like you to be the foot soldiers.

      • Have YOU ask every W-mart emloyee what THEY want?? The PROBLEM is that the employees are scared to death to ask or even mention a union, so what choice is there but to walk out!! The obscentity to the CUSTOMER part is uncalled for, but, the rest , YES, they can, and it has been done for years and years, IT IS CALLED A “WALK OUT STRIKE”!!
        AS far as this or any other blog being a ” Union Blog”, and NOT worth YOUR time, then , go to a non=union blog and run your mouth to your peers!!
        The reason it is not worth your time is because YOU have your mind made up and you have been corporate , big business, greedy brainwashed!!
        AND, one more thing, I doubt VERY seriously that YOU are an original FLORIDA NATIVE, there are very FEW of them left! Florida is made up of retired rich folks from every where BUT Florida!! And, Florida’s record on voting rights, creepy laws, and work force mistreatment is NOTHING to brag about , for sure!!

      • Yes, I have. Any group of Wal-Mart employees can form a union. The grocery’s union (which owns this site) has sent tens of millions of dollars of their members trying to form unions and thousands of Wal-Marts. They did this because Wal-Mart has taken over 25% of the grocery business from the nonefficient unionized groceries and they lost the millions in dues. That is what this is all about anyway. You are wrong about Florida, but then you are wrong about a lot. Actually, Florida has many, many retired union workers from the auto industry they destroyed and many early retirees from government jobs who cities are now going bankrupt. When 2/3′s of Detroit left the area due to the unions, where do you think they came?

      • They didn’t leave because of the unions, they left DUE to the FACT that they had unions that helped them negotiate good wages and retirement benefits !! That the unions gave them the opportunity to be able to have a 30 or 40 year carreer!!
        They came to your state, because it is WARM and PRETTY, damned sure NOT to work!!
        And, a lot of them seem to have forgotten these facts!! According to YOU!!
        W=mart is just like the cotton mills of southside Virginia, mention the word union and your ass is gone!! Your thinking is nothing less than just corporate , propaganda, and YOU just don’t want to pay a livable wage, ( which, by the way, even at $15.00 is at poverty level), simply to be able to keep more for yourself!!
        I don’t think a company should pay more than it can bare to stay in business, BUT< WALMART, come on now!! Get REAL!!
        I'd be willing to bet you that the reason people you say you have talked say they don't want a union is simply because they are scared to death of losing their jobs if they tried to do so!! Walmart and Target show thier new hires films on the cons of unions from day one of employment!! What do you think the people fear a union for ?
        If you want us ALL back in sweat shops and child labor, just keep fighting unions at places like giant W-mart, and, you'll see! It's up to you, but, I'm for working people and this country, NOT JUST A COUPLE OF PERCENT that already have enough to live 20 lives with!!

      • You forgot the the unions destroyed the jobs in Detroit. Now over 50% of the cars made in the US are now made in right to work states. The employee make more money than the UAW plants and have great benefits. They have long waiting list for new employees. The difference is they work in very efficient operations that make money. No restrictive work rules and no feather bedding, They have a good life. There states are growing and have better employment. Right to work is a huge success. The UAW has been trying to unionize them for several decades and is spending million now in the new VW plant.Unions are an old fashioned idea well past it’s time and they are dying. Hundreds of millions of people are satisfied even in the Obama economy. .You have hitched your horse to the wrong wagon.

      • Try living in Virginia buddy!! Your horse is gonna turn around and bite your nose off!! RTWstates are just RTWFL states with a herd of scabs that want to work for union bargained advantages and get them for nothing!! I can’t stand a RTW scab, so, I guess our conversation is over!!
        Unions didn’t destroy anything, the corporate big dogs and their ridiculous bonuses and piss poor management did that!! And , this corporate made “global competition ” crap, that is trying to make US in this country compete with 3rd world factories just in the name of GREED!
        You have been brainwashed by the corporate boys , I hope it doesn’t hurt too bad when they Sh*&^t on you!!
        Nice talking to ya!! Have a nice life!

      • floridanativee
        Yes the link was a pro union blog the same one you are commenting on. Not worth your time? why are you commenting on it? you come here and bitch and moan but will not take time to learn something. The article is about the NLRB the very thing you are hounding me for information about and giving out opinions on, that you have no correct knowledge of. I have sent you the text you ask for but you choose not to read it nor look at the link I provided so you could get more information if you wanted but obviously you chose not to.

  5. Every worker has the right to join a union, the right to collective bargaining and the right to use industrial action to protect their pay and conditions. I am not sure what point Tom is trying to make. It is all the fault of socialists? The slogan From each according to their ability and to each according to their needs is still true

    • Eddie;

      Re: your comment of….

      “The slogan From each according to their ability and to each according to their needs is still true”

      Man, you’ve bought the “gimme, gimme” bait hook, line, and sinker, haven’t ya’? Let me ask; are **YOU** willing to be the one who exerts more in the way of “ability” in order to make up for those who have “needs’….but are unwilling to put forth the effort to meet those needs THEMSELVES?

      If so, sign me up for the subsidy; I’d like nothing better than to have those of your peculiar “ability’ satisfy my “needs”. You see, I’m getting kinda’ tired of being one of those asked to cover economically those who hold to that philosophy of “the world owes me a living”.

      • education and health for example are basic needs. I believe medical treatment should be available to all on a needs basis rather than on an ability to pay. My belief is that a civilised society will care for the handicapped and underprivileged. You may believe in the survival of the fittest I have no problem in contributing to society through income tax on my ability to pay. Who decides that the poor are unwilling to make the effort to provide for themselves. Remember what Big Jim Larkin said The great only appear great because we are on our knees . Let us rise

      • I have no problem with your having no problem with contributing. What I *DO* have a problem with is your demanding that OTHERS contribute in ways they have a philosophical disagreement with.

        I’m sure you recall who popularized the “the slogan” you quoted above…and what have been the consequences of the economic and societal philosophy he pushed.

        As to “who decides”, I would assume that every one decides for HIS OR HER SELF, and that people like you are NOT allowed to dictate that decision for them.

        Now, if you want to “give”, then more power to you. If, however, you’re out for “gimme, gimme” – which your belief in “the slogan” would seem to indicate – then a plague on your house. This world already has far too many people in it who expect that the world owes them a living….and we don’t need individuals who encourage the growth of the population group.

      • Where in the US Constitution does it say that the government can use it’s police power to take money from me and give it to somebody who chooses not to work? The people on the receiving end of the redistribution of wealth always like it.

      • Just like taxpayers satisfy Walmart’s needs?

        “No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to it’s workers has any right to continue in this country” Franklin D. Roosevelt

      • Yeah, taxpayers are really “satisfy[ing] Walmart’s needs”, aren’t they?

        By the way, I get a kick out of your signature quote, particularly as it came from a person who never ran a productive business – or personally paid much in the way of “living wages” – in his life, while presiding over the greatest economic depression this country ever had. It’s so nice to here those who can’t (or, in this case, “couldn’t” declare what should be the destiny of those who can and did, isn’t it?.

      • On the day of this quot FDR a special session of the 73rd Congress ended at 1:12 a.m. and, after
        signing the National Industrial Recovery Act, the Glass-Steagall Banking
        Reform Act, the Independent Offices Act (including veterans
        allowances), the Deficiency Act, the Taxation Act, and the Farm Credits
        Act, President Roosevelt appointed Gen. Hugh S. Johnson, former soldier
        and manufacturer, as administrator of industry; made available
        $400,000,000 under the public works title for State roads; and allotted
        $238,000,000 to the Navy Department for laying down 32 new war vessels
        under the terms of the London treaty. June 16, 1933.
        Could this have happen today with the congress we have?
        TAKE A HIKE

      • Billy, ask KM why so many of those ” who can and did”, jumped out of windows of skyscrapers if they COULD and WOULD have done any better than Roosevelt did!!

      • mimcneely;

        Here’s your chance, Big Guy! Give us a list of those who “jumped out of windows of skyscrapers” vis-à-vis the Depression. Doesn’t have to be a complete one; just a few names will do….although make it a least “a few”, because, with your “those”, you did indicate a plural.

        For an individual of your rather comprehensive “education”, that shouldn’t be much of a problem, should it? After all, it’s not like someone like YOU would shoot off his mouth on topics he knew virtually nothing about, is it? [smile]

      • OH!! and I guess you don’t believe there was a holicaust either, right, wise ass!! If I thought it would serve a purpose, I’d look it up, but, what the hell, it’s only been common knowledge for years!!
        YOU”RE really scratching your ass for points to make , ain’t little boy??

      • mimcneely;

        No, I believe in the holocaust alright.. However, I also believe that what you term “common knowledge” is anything but. Then again, perhaps it IS “common knowledge”, in which case a “bright” guy like you could come up with at least a few names of the “many of those” that “jumped out of windows of skyscrapers”, couldn’t he?

        I think I’ll go out on a limb here an hazard a guess that, once more, ol’ “mimcneely” shot off his mouth without having an inkling of what he was talking about. Furthermore, I’ll venture even farther out on that limb and speculate that he won’t be able to provide names for even a few of those “many” associated with the Depression who allegedly “jumped out of windows of skyscrapers”…..because they simply didn’t exist.

        Real bummer being convicted by your own blowhard mouth, isn’t it, “mimcneely”? One would think by now you would have come to understand that it’s a lot better to keep your mouth shut and let people guess that you’re ignorant and dishonest, instead of opening it up to confirm it. Fascinating!

      • YOU are quite fascinating yourself, idiot!! You try to come on as an intellectual, smart person, yet, nothing you say has any value , except to pricks in your own small group!!
        The first guy to jump from his hotel room was, the president of Union Cigar Co. There weren’t that many RICH people who did this, but, it DID happen!! The middle class and ( of course) the poor were hit much harder than the rich, but, IT DID HAPPEN( to them)!!
        What is your REAL problem dick head?

      • mimcneely;

        The “president” of Union Cigar Company? What was his name? As for your claim that “There weren’t that many RICH people who did this”, just a few posts up you commented….

        “Billy, ask KM why so ***MANY OF THOSE”” who can and did”, jumped out of windows of skyscrapers if they COULD and WOULD have done any better than Roosevelt did!!

        …I.e. – you quite specifically declared that there were PLURAL instances and that there WERE “many”….and I asked you to back that claim up. If it is “common knowledge”, that shouldn’t be a problem, should it? As for the “president of Union Cigar Co”, being “the first”, are you SURE it was “the president”….and are you SURE he was “the first”…indicating, as you did initially, that there were “many” (your wording) to follow?

        Come on, Big Guy! After dissembling a few posts, don’t you think it’s time to quit trying to avoid the inevitable? By that I mean that here’s yet ANOTHER chance to prove that you’re not just a big bag of gas who has to go scrambling after-the-fact to look for backing for yet another of the outrageously false claims he makes. Think you’re up for it? Or are you – as usual – just gonna’ pass some more “gas”? Not wearing shorts and all, you might want to be careful if you choose the latter; accidents *DO* happen, you know! [smile]

        Have fun showing me I’m wrong! [smile]

      • mimcneely;

        I take it that, upon reflection, you’ve decided not to try backing your “IT DID HAPPEN” claim, ‘eh? What a surprise! [smile]

      • I take it , you are unable to read!! I pulled up something about the jumping thing, and, that is what it said about the depression!! It also said that NOT that many rich actually did this!! I admitted that there weren’t that many!! BUT, you tried to say there were NONE!!
        The article did not give the name of the ” cigar man”!
        I take, that YOU are still the same old prick as you always are!! You take, deal with it!!

      • mimcneeely;

        I guess you didn’t actually read what you “pulled up” that closely, did you? If you had, you might have noticed that the “Union Cigar Executive” (NOT “president”) deal was a HOAX….and didn’t really happen. It turned out that it was a guy sticking an antenna out of his hotel window in order to improve his radio’s reception. ‘Course, when have actual facts mattered to the likes of you, ‘eh? After all, you’re a receptacle of “common knowledge”!

        Beyond that, when I did I try “to say there were none”? I must have, because you simply wouldn’t LIE about something like that, would ya’? N.a.a..a.h….not good ol’ “honest” mimcneely!

        Funny, though, how I recall making a point about MORE than one, as in …

        “although make it a least “a few”, because, with your “those”, you did indicate a plural.”

        Now, how does that jive with your claim your claim that I “tried to say they were NONE”? What’s that term “plural” doing in there, I wonder? H.m.m.m.m.m.! [smile]

        Sorry, “mimcneely”…but I’ve told you time and time again that you ought to keep your big mouth shut if you don’t know what you’re talking about. And, if you’ve proven anything over your time here on this blog, it’s that you rarely know what you’re talking about. That, of course, hasn’t stopped you from lying about whatever it is that you want to shoot your mouth off about…that’s just “you”.

        In any case, here’s a link to what you termed “common knowledge”. It’s titled “After the 1929 stock market crash, did investors really jump out of windows?”

        ….and it can be found at….

        http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2412/after-the-1929-stock-market-crash-did-investors-really-jump-out-of-windows

        Now, want to toss some MORE bullsh_t in my direction? If so, have at it! [grin!]

      • Can’t throw bullshit at bullshit!! It just sticks and makes more B.S. Meyer, I think YOU cannot be happy , with a damned thing, and , especially YOURSELF! I cannot quite grasp why an individual who thinks so much of himself as YOU do, is always hanging around a blog like this!! YOU”RE way to SPECIAL to be here with us lessers as YOU call us!!
        As far as I’m concerned you are a sick person, that, is not concerned about anything that would help this country as a whole, but, rather, only your HUGE EGO, and your pockets!!
        Your comment seem to show that there were NONE that jumped or even committed suicide in any fashion!!
        Frankly, pricko, the whole thing is just stupid, and, just another useless thing for you to give yourself a good reason to live!!
        SUCK off , oscarmeyerweenie!! I caanot stand your pompous , sick ass anyway and YOU know it and I know you feel the same to me, so what is the use!! Just keep thinking so much of yourself , cause, what goes around always comes around!!

      • mimcneely;

        Sorry, guy…but it’s not my fault that you make crap up and then get caught. Nor is it my ego that makes your mouth flap as it does. You want to blame someone for your predicament, then I suggest you go point at yourself in the mirror.

        You’re right about one thing, however; I do feel similarly about you as claim to feel about me. Generally I try to avoid discussions with those who have repeatedly lied to me and about me as you have; there’s simply not much point in trying to engage in honest discourse with one to who is so completely DIS-honest. But, in your case, I think it’s worthwhile to make an exception. You see, from my perspective, you’re an absolutely fantastic example of what I think the so-called “organized labor movement” represents today; i.e. – crudity, selfishness, ignorance, bigotry, dishonesty, and corruption. Your posts demonstrate all those characteristics in spades…and it’s just unfortunate that the moderators here (quite sensibly, from their perspective, I must admit!) delete so many of your posts before the general readership has a chance to see them. Such expositions of the “character” of a union member shouldn’t to be missed.

        Anyway, in the end, “mimcneely”, it’s not because I “think so much of myself”, but rather the responsibility I feel toward my fellow man that leads me to deal with you as I do. People need to SEE what taking a certain path will lead them to…and, whether you like it or not, with just a nudge of emphasis on my part, you succeed in making that point very visible to them.

        For that, I guess I should thank you.

      • First of all, YOU are the LIAR, y saying I have repeatedly lied to your sorry ass! I have done NO SUCH CRAP!! YOU take my words and those of others and twist them around to your liking and then say they are lies! And, if I make mistakes, I say so, and that is not lying, but, maybe to you it is!!
        YOU are exactly what I think is the perfect represntation of a corporate , greedy, lying, pompous prick, repig!,, sack of shit!! I really don’t care what you think of me, I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE!!
        I do believe they have deleted a few of yours too, pricko!!
        YOU have had so mant dislikes and negative responses back to your crap it is hard to count them all!! YOU have lied and lied about lying!! AND< yes dick head, YOU do think way too much of yourself and many people have told you so!!
        YOU say , with a little nudge, hell, you don;t need a nudge for people to see what a puke, narcissistic , pompous, loser YOU are!! YOU have never yet told us just how many JOBS YOU have given to the economy, just , your mouth that says so!!
        And, last of all, YOU have a lot gaul to call ME a bigot!! That is all you ever spout out is your hate of working people and how they are no more than a preesure cooker to you!! And, where you get I'm corrupt is beyond me, and , how the hell am I selfish?? I haven't ask for or wanted a damned thing in my life that I haven't worked my ass off to get!! My main objective on here is to try to help poor and working class people get a better, more fair shake in life than YOU would have for them!!
        Thanks for showing , once again, what a corporate prick YOU are!! YOU"VE been doing that from day one , so keep it up!!

      • mimcneely;

        Yeah, right! [grin!] And you’ve presented such absolute PROOF of your assertions as well, haven’t you!? [here comes another "grin"].

        Anyway, keep up the good work. It’s outbursts like these that keep me responding to you. In truth, I like nothing more than for the general readership to have the opportunity of seeing just how a “supporter” of so-called “organized labor”” like you comports himself in dealing with the world. It’s quite a revelation to them, I’m sure.

        Have a good one!

      • Another of your lies, there’s been more than one!! YOU look back and read your crap and see!
        But, again, you just proved YOUR own self the general,readership!! I presented just as much PROOF as YOU have . MR. Intellectual!!
        Give a rest, Mr. Batman, grin, boom, shucks, idiot!!
        Enough is enpough with a word twisting , lying, wanna be, intellectual like you!!
        Have a nice narcissistic life!! WITH YOURSELF!!

      • mimcneely;

        RIGHT! [grin!]

        Again, “mimcneely”, you are what your are. Now you might note that I didn’t make you what you are; you’ll have to blame your mama or your papa or whatever for that curse. In any case, your posts are still there, and hopefully you’ll keep more of ‘em a’ coming. After all, you’re SUCH a credit to the organized labor movement…and I do so appreciate the opportunity to show you off in that way!

        Anyway, thanks for yet another carefully crafted, erudite response. My cup runneth over….

      • FUNNY , twerp, Walmart BOY, this is a UNION BLOG , so, I think that makes your dumb-ass the W-mart PLANT!! Man, you are almost as dumb as spec1956!!

      • This is a public blog. As I told you, I just believe in the free market. You for example may have been able to make something if yourself if not held back by the union. Maybe you could have kept on working and not have to have become a mulch cutter. You can’t fix stupid though,

      • YOU just don’t get it , do you, you friggin idiot, I’m way past your simple ASS, AND , YOU DON’T CUT MULCH , STUPID!! wHY THE HELL DO i WANT TO KEEP WORKING, AFTER i HAVE TAKEN A buy=out THAT WAS OFFERED to craft and mangement alike?? WHY, are YOU so damned stupid??

      • You said you were a mulch cutter for about 6 years. Was that a lie too? You really consider being a lineman a craft. Now that’s a joke.

      • KEEP on Keeping on , dumb nuts!! I said I worked part time at a mulch yard, a place where they sale mulch and landscape supplies, I guess, as stupid as you are, I have to explain every single thing to you!!RIGHT?
        YOU’re damned right a lineman is a craft, and , so is a cable splicer and a cable maintenance splicer also!!
        BUT, I guess for a little walmart puppet, that is way to deep for you to grasp!!Stop being so damned stupid!!please!!

      • I guess the old man buy out wasn’t enough to make it and you had to go to the mulch yard. Working on a pole isn’t a craft, it is a trade. Neither is a profession. Owning a mulch yard or a series of mulch yards is a profession and the American Dream. I don’t see any kids saying when I grow up I want to work on top of a pole. Just doesn’t happen. It is for losers like you.

      • The old man buy out was great, and, I haven’t toched it yet and it has more than doubled !! I worked some to take up the day while my wife was still working!! Is that O!K! with YOU stupid!!
        And, boy/girl, splicing/maintenance and lineman work is a CRAFT and a TRADE, you’re so dumb!!
        You have no idea what the hell you are talking about and never will!!
        I have the American Dream , I would like for the young and others in this country to have a chance at that dream where as, you want to keep people poor and down , by having them work where you do , at Walmart, for piss poor wages !!
        So, if that’s your plan, you stick to it!!
        By the way, if it isn’t a craft, why was it called a top craft job, by, the company I worked for?? You are a fool!!

      • Nope, dumbo, it is sponsored by the grocery union, only recently affiliated with the AFL-CIO. They hate Wal-Mart because they took over 25% of the US grocery market in the last 20 years and devastated their union ranks. For somebody with such a big mouth, you get a lot of stuff wrong. One question, do they have two men on a pole or just one. I was wondering if you got promoted up or stayed in the same the whole time as a pole jockey.

      • Affilated with the AFL-CIO, recently or not, it is affiliated with the AFL-CIO!!
        YOU, are a stu[pid kid!! I made more money as a splicer/ maintenance techincian than you ever will, punk!! I’m not the one that gets things wrong, leave that up to YOU, that IS one thing you can do good, get things wrong!! MAN, what an idiot!!

      • Working by the hour will never get you rich. This is well known, but evidently not by you, This website was up and running long before the affiliation. Working for the man will never get you what the man makes.

      • You just don’t undfstand , do you?? I don’t want what the MAN makes, just my fair share of what I did to help him make his!! And, thru a union , I got that, and, it was very good for me and my family!!
        YOU mentioned that the blog was NOT a union blog, but, in the same breath said these grocery people were recently affiliated with the AFL-CIO, so, whatever you say or can make up out of that, you go for it!!
        I hope you don’t think sucking walmarts butt is gonna make YOU the MAN!! BUT, I do hope you succeed in all you can do!! I hope your love of money over the welfare of others doesn’t corode you too much!! Have a nice day!

      • You couldn’t handle being the man. They don’t make trailers that wide. This is a grocery union blog, but you think whatever you wish. They are mad at Wal-Mart because they lost 25% of their members due to their success in the grocery business. You have a very vivid imagination. You should take your act on the road.

      • I have never claimed to be the MAN, and, YOU will never be the MAN, as long as you keep defending a company with the lowest employee treatment rating on earth!! Taking out insurance policies on OLD people and making themselves( Walmart) the beneficiary!! How damned low can you go, but, YOU think that is good!!
        And, your stupid point about grocery stores is very vivid!! Since, around here anyway, NO, grocery stores that I know of have any unions!! Kroger used to, years ago, but, they shut down the stores with union people and re-opened with non-union people, long ago!! Food Lion has never been union!! Do, what is your friggin point ?? Besides , being a puppet on a string for W-mart!!YOU’re a dumb ass, and, you should join the circus in the FREAK show!!

      • You claim to be better than the man and make more money than him. You are just a twit working on the top of a tall pole wearing a funny hat. Yep, many of the grocers are getting rid of the union like Wal-Mart. This website is in fact owned and operated by the grocer’s union. They used to have over a million members. I told you before, but you have slept since, that i don’t work for Wal-Mart, but do shop there sometimes. I just believe in the free market system.

      • ARE YOU on crack?? I didn’t claim that one bit!! Just the opposite as a matter of fact!! But, I have made more money than your drug addict ass has or ever will!!
        I know what you say about working for Walmart, but, I don’t believe a goof-ball like you!! YOU do work foe the Wally World, and, it doesn’t make a damn who owns this blog!! YOU , yourself said they are NOE affiliated with the AFL-CIO!! I didn’t say thay, YOU DID, ignorant! I treally don’t care!!
        I believe in the free market too, idiot, I just don’t believe in people using other people lke pack mules in oeder to get rich!! Like walmart is using YOU!
        Like I just told your mentor, I’ve had enough of wasting time with you and your childish, ignorant crap!! Let me know when you grow up !!

      • I am all grown up. You are way over the hill and obviously senile or maybe you were always this way. Maybe you fell from that pole.

      • Meyer Ass!!
        1/ when you called me ignorant about the Industrial Revolution, you did so based on some stupid bridge the WEALTHY had built!! Mian word is WEALTHY, already wealthy 1 I’m real glad you know so much mindless trivia, but, YOU know damned good and well what I was talking about!! NOT your heroes, the wealthy man, but, their mistreatment of men , women and children, in sweat shops, forced overtime, with NO O.T. pay, ( hardly any pay at all), child labor, NO SAFTEY regulations or HEALTH regulations, and, the people were used like animals for the WEALTHY to get MORE WEALTHY!
        2/ and , you called me a liar about my starting pay years ago!! I proved to YOU that in Virginia the FEDERAL minimum wage was NOT always used 100% of the time!! I left a company paying $1.19 for a job that staeted me out at .89 cents an hour!! I was told at my interview that I was hired 2 weeks before Christmas 1970, and , to come to work the 1st day after New Years in 1971!
        3/ as for me being selfish, you’re nuts and your mirror is broken!
        4/ as for me being a bigot of some sort!! The only time you ever mentioned that was when the converstion was on illegals working at the place I worked part-time at!! What I said was a slap at you and your usual reference to union /labor people being thugs and gimmie-gimmie , and all those little comments you have written!! Nothing at all, that I said, was ME belittling anyone, BUT YOU! I gave clothes, bought cigarettes and etc to most of those workers and my Spanish is VERY limited , so, my conversations with them usually ended with them saying SI’, so, just where do you get any bigotry out of that?
        5/ Just how the hell am I corrupt? That one really is stupid!!
        Thanks for admitting that you have NOT proven all of your pompous little remarks also! “YEAH! Right[grin],and you’ve presented such absolute PROOF of your assertions “AS WELL”, haven’t you!! Actually, I’ve given more proof of my assertions than you have!! But, at least , for once , you admit that YOU haven’t proven all of your crap either!!
        And, you do give a total and complete picture of your devotion to the corrupt , corporate movement, thank you again!

      • mimncneely;;

        Right! You keep on swinging, guy. Sooner or later, you might at least nick the ball…. although I wouldn’t bet on it.

        BTW, I did so appreciate the “history” lesson on the Virginia/Federal minimum wage conundrum you provided. Like I alluded to earlier, it’s so much easier for me to demonstrate my points when I have an example to point to.

        Thanks!

      • mimcneely;

        Oh, I think I can admit it when I’m wrong alright…but, when it comes to dealing with you, I really haven’t been wrong now, have I?

        With that in mind, you want to “prove” to us that “that in Virginia the FEDERAL minimum wage was NOT always used 100% of the time”. and that is 1971 it was legal for a grown man to be paid $0.89 or $1.19 hour?

        ‘Heh, maybe you WERE paid that much! After all, as you’ve demonstrated over and over again, you’re not the brightest street lamp on the block. Maybe you WERE actually dumb enough to accept more than a quarter an hour LESS than statutory minimum wage as your compensation….although why on earth you’d want to broadcast that fact is beyond me. In any case, who am I to doubt you? [smile]

        Again, you are what you are, “mimcneely”…..and if you want to see just WHAT you are, take a look at the Dept. of Labor’s Historical Minimum Wage Chart at…

        http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/chart.htm

        …and read down until you get to the year “1970″, and then take a look in the mirror and see just how high they pile lying sacks of manure these days.

      • Hey, self-over-rated BUM!! I gave that site to you a long time ago!! It didn’t say .89 an hour was the Federal minimum, tupid, it was $1.19, federal, but, VA did not always cinform the friggin federal minimum wage!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND, BUMSTER!
        KM friggin A, you sore ass loser!!
        Thanks again for proving your uselessness to the human race! BUM!

      • mimcneely;

        Oh, I think I “understand” alright!

        Again, I realize that you’re not the swiftest sparrow in the tree, but IT DIDN’T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE what Virginia would “cinform” to. That was the law….period Now, I can quite understand if you were too ignorant to avail yourself of it; no big surprise there. But that doesn’t change the facts of the matter now, does it? You are what you are.

        BTW, I loved your “I gave you that site” blurb. Real “credible” stuff there! [smile]

      • I gave you the site I looked at the time, WTF?? The Federal law was one thing, but , the Virginia state did not follow that 100%, what the hell is it you can’t understand??
        Man, you can’t stand to be wrong , can you?? It’s that narcisstic thing isn’t it ??
        But, then, you are what you are, so deal with it!!

      • mimcneely;

        Are you really THAT dense? It didn’t make one iota of difference that “the Virginia state did not follow that 100%”. It was the law that the EMPLOYERS had to follow; the state of Virginia had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Virginia didn’t even have a “minimum wage law” – which, by it’s nature, can’t be lower, but can be higher, than that of the Federal law – until 1975. But that didn’t prevent the FEDERAL law from being fully applicable in 1971…even in Virginia. And in early 1971 (it was more later in the year) , the federal law required employers to pay non-tipped employees $1.45/hour….PERIODl

        So, if you let an employer walk all over you in terms of paying you $0.26/hr LESS than the law required, then “guess” who’s to blame?

        That said, I can “stand to be wrong” alright. But it does task me somewhat to see an individual who is SO lacking intelligence or integrity – or both – that he’s STILL trying, against all odds, to lie his way out of predicament his big mouth got him into.

      • The site you gave is NOT the one I had before!! The one I had , had , the info , state by state , and it plainly stated that Va., DID NOT FULLY COMPLY with the federal minimum wage in 1970/71 and other years!!
        I really don’t give a damn what you say, and, it is irrevelant that , if I was so stupid , that I let them do me wrong or whatever, that is what I was paid for a short period when I first hired on!!
        At the age of 19, I was extremely happy to get my job with this company, in the first place,and , in the long run, it worked out very well for me!!
        Besides, what is your friggin problem, I am NOT concerned with ME, I’m concerned about the next generations being stomped on and put back into sweat shops by the likes of jerks like YOU!!
        YOU contradict yourself anyway, I was hired in 1970, but, started work in Jan. 1971, yet, you talk about the latter part of 1971 !
        YOU are so damned eat up with thinking you know ALL and are never wrong, that, it makes you look quite ridiculous!!
        I don’t care about ME, I care about the next generations!! I have said this many times before, but, thick skulled pompous pricks like YOU, can’t seem to understand this !!

      • mimcneely;

        And, again, it didn’t make a damned bit of difference whether Virginia “complied” or not. It was the EMPLOYER who was obligated under the law…and NOT the state of Virginia.

        Now, is that concept just a little difficult for you to grasp ? [smile]

        As for your claim that…

        “YOU contradict yourself anyway, I was hired in 1970, but, started work in Jan. 1971, yet, you talk about the latter part of 1971 !”

        …I suggest you take a look at what I actually wrote, to wit…

        “And in EARLY 1971 (it was MORE LATER IN THE YEAR) , the federal law required employers to pay non-tipped employees $1.45/hour….PERIODl”

        …and tell me where’s the “contradiction”? [smile]

        Funny, that’s only a post or two back…but it seems you chose to LIE about something as quickly demonstrable as false as that as well! Yet another “big surprise”, ‘eh?

        With that in mind, frankly, I don’t BELIEVE what you claim to have been paid if what you actually were paid. I KNOW what the standard pay rates back then, and highly doubt your figures. But that said, I WILL admit that I can’t PROVE that you weren’t paid the sum you mentioned. After all, you’ve demonstrated over and over again that you’re NOT the brightest guy on earth, and maybe you actually WERE dumb enough to let an employer walk all over you like that. Again, I have not sure knowledge.

        What I DO have sure knowledge of, however, is that your B.S. justifications after-the-fact were outright lies…and you’ve got the link to provide that proof. Deal with it.

        Finally, “mimcneely”, I seriously doubt that my bringing forth aspects of YOUR “character” is making me “look quite ridiculous” You, on the other hand, because of your big mouth and your apparent inability to keep it shut when you have absolutely NO idea of what you’re talking about, seems to get you in trouble time and time again. And the fact that you don’t recognize that – or take any action to change it – speaks not only to your “integrity”, but also your “intelligence” as well.

        You are what you are, “mimcneely”…and I’m afraid the world isn’t just going to back down because of your inability to justify what that is.